[MOD] Elder Kings, a CK2 Elder Scrolls mod

[vincentc]

Did you delete TelvanniRelations.txt? It causes save games to bloat up. Testing the next patch, after two centuries, my save game is only 50 mb or so.

No, I didn't delete telvannirealations.txt. I'll delete it and give another go.

Thank you.

 

[NezzeOne]

No, I didn't delete telvannirealations.txt. I'll delete it and give another go.

Thank you.

No problem

Keep in mind that your pre-existing saves will still be bloated without editing, but further saves should be ok.

 

[Ampersand]

Are there any other important notable fixes or changes a player can make themselves to improve stability? I've deleted the Telvannirelations.txt file, but still get frequent crashes a few years after after loading a game.

 

[DoubleA]

What does that file do normally?

I like it. It makes money much more valuable and you have to be much more careful with your troops.

Okay, but I still think minor duchy capitals should have a second holding, otherwise it seems like the duchy capital is just arbitrary. Also, Vivec really needs more holdings.

Are the Televanni artifacts inheritable or reclaimable in any way? It certainly seems like they should be. The only other named artifact I know of is Voldenrung, and I know that isn't inheritable.

 

[Orinsul]

There are named artifacts for the houses and the daedra have a bunch. Im assuming the uninheritableness of the house artifacts and the mundane artifacts is because they havent got round to making the events rather than by design.

 

[DoubleA]

There are named artifacts for the houses and the daedra have a bunch. Im assuming the uninheritableness of the house artifacts and the mundane artifacts is because they havent got round to making the events rather than by design.

How hard would it be to give my heir any should-be--inheritable artifacts by either cheating or save game editing?

 

[Orinsul]

How hard would it be to give my heir any should-be--inheritable artifacts by either cheating or save game editing?

Make a trigger only event that has a give_trait = the artifact trait
Fire it through the console when you want someone to have it?
Saving editing would be harder as then its numbers and not names.

 

[NezzeOne]

What does that file do normally?

To my understanding, it was added to represent the Telvanni's affinity for electing mages to head the House via adding opinion modifiers. Something goofed and it caused a bunch of references to the file to be made, which in turn caused the game and save game files to get really big really fast and pretty much unmanageable.

Probably not the whole story, but that's just what I've learned without really inquiring.

 

[Orinsul]

Does anyone know if there are specific colours assigned to the daedra anywhere in the lore?
Only i was thinking on how theyre all green so i was editing my copy so they wouldnt be but mostly its just all made up colours. I think for the Eight and Nine the colours are those of the temples in daggerfall so they were easily findable.

Spoiler

These are the colours so far, some are duplicated and others probably too close to existing ones [Forgot that the elves were already purple.] but not all green anyway

##VELOTHIAN/TRIBUNAL RELIGIONS##
tribunal = {
		has_coa_on_barony_only = no
		graphical_culture = westerngfx
		crusade_cb = crusade
		playable = yes
		pacifist = no

	almsivi = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 13
		color = { 0.4328 0.3185 0.49 }

		crusade_name = "TRIBUNAL_WAR"
		scripture_name = THE_TRIBUNAL
		god_names = {
			GOD_ALMALEXIA GOD_AZURA GOD_SOTHA_SIL GOD_VIVEC GOD_BOETHIAH GOD_MEPHALA GOD_NEREVAR
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = yes
		can_grant_divorce = no
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = no
	}
	nerevarine = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx
			
		scripture_name = THE_SEVEN_VISIONS
		god_names = {
			GOD_AZURA GOD_BOETHIAH GOD_MEPHALA GOD_NEREVAR GOD_NEREVARINE
		}
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.28 0.30 0.71 }
		parent = almsivi
	}
	sixth_house = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		scripture_name = THE_DREAMS
		god_names = {
			GOD_DAGOTH GOD_VORYN
		}
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.745 0 0 }
		parent = almsivi
	}
	almsivi_house_ancestor_cult = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		god_names = {
			GOD_BOETHIAH GOD_THE_ANCESTORS
		}
		scripture_name = DOORS_OF_THE_SPIRIT
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.4328 0.3185 0.49 }
		parent = almsivi
	}
	almsivi_anticipations = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		scripture_name = THE_ANTICIPATIONS
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.7176 0.5333 0.8087 }
		parent = almsivi
	}
	almsivi_dissident_priests = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		scripture_name = PROGRESS_OF_TRUTH
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.7176 0.5333 0.4274 }
		parent = almsivi
	}
	almsivi_old_velothi = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		god_names = {
			GOD_BOETHIAH GOD_NEREVAR GOD_THE_ANCESTORS GOD_ST_VELOTH
		}
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.3254 0.247 0.3568 }
		parent = almsivi
	}

	reclamationist = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 13
		color = { 0.7176 0.5333 0.4274 }

		crusade_name = "TRIBUNAL_WAR"
		scripture_name = THE_RECLAMATIONS
		god_names = {
			GOD_ST_ALMALEXIA GOD_AZURA GOD_ST_SOTHA_SIL GOD_ST_VIVEC GOD_BOETHIAH GOD_MEPHALA GOD_NEREVAR
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = yes
		can_grant_divorce = no
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = no
	}
	reclamationist_lessons = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		god_names = {
			GOD_VIVEC GOD_MEPHALA
		}
		scripture_name = 36_LESSONS
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.4328 0.3185 0.7764 }
		parent = reclamationist
	}
	reclamationist_nerevarine = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx
		
		scripture_name = MOON_AND_STAR_REBORN
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.28 0.30 0.71 }
		parent = reclamationist
	}
	reclamationist_newtribunal = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		god_names = {
			GOD_ALMALEXIA GOD_AZURA GOD_SOTHA_SIL GOD_VIVEC GOD_BOETHIAH GOD_MEPHALA GOD_NEREVAR
		}
		scripture_name = THE_TRIBUNAL
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.6 0.2 0.52 }
		parent = reclamationist
	}
	reclamationist_restorationist = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		god_names = {
			GOD_AZURA GOD_BOETHIAH GOD_MEPHALA GOD_THE_ANCESTORS
		}
		scripture_name = DOORS_OF_THE_SPIRIT
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.4254 0.2475 0.3568 }
		parent = reclamationist
	}
	reclamationist_dagothresurrectionist = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		god_names = {
			GOD_DAGOTH GOD_VORYN
		}
		scripture_name = THE_RECORDED_DREAMS
		icon = 14
		color = { 0.745 0 0 }
		parent = reclamationist
	}
}
##DAEDRIC RELIGIONS##
daedra = {
	has_coa_on_barony_only = no
	graphical_culture = westerngfx
	crusade_cb = crusade
	playable = yes
	pacifist = no

	daedra_worship = { # "Old Gods"
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.3 0.6 0 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = THE_MYSTERIUM_XERXES

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	forsworn_heresy = { #Hagraven Cults
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 9
		color = { 0.3 0.6 0.2 }
		parent = daedra_worship
	}
	
	daedra_azura = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.28 0.30 0.71 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = INVOCATION_OF_AZURA
		god_names = {
			GOD_AZURA
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_boethiah = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.56 0 0.24 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = BOETHIAHS_CALLING
		god_names = {
			GOD_BOETHIAH
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_clavicus = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 1 0.57 0 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = VILE_BOOK
		god_names = {
			GOD_CLAVICUS
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_hermaeus = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0 0.33 0.15 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = OGHMA_INFINIUM
		god_names = {
			GOD_HERMAEUS_MORA
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = yes

	}
	daedra_miraak = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx
		god_names = {
			GOD_HERMAEUS_MORA GOD_MIRAAK 
		}
		icon = 9
		color = { 0.3 0.6 1 }
		parent = daedra_hermaeus
		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_hircine = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.49 0.2 0 }

		crusade_name = "GREAT_HUNT"
		scripture_name = THE_TOTEMS
		god_names = {
			GOD_HIRCINE
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = yes

	}
	daedra_glenmorial = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx
		icon = 9
		color = { 0.3 0.6 1 }
		parent = daedra_hircine
		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_mehrunes = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.62 0 0 }

		crusade_name = "DEVASTATION"
		scripture_name = THE_MYSTERIUM_XERXES
		god_names = {
			GOD_MEHRUNES_DAGON
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_xarxes = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx
		icon = 9
		color = { 0.62 0.07 0 }
		parent = daedra_mehrunes
		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_mephala = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.64 0.39 0.56 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = ANTICIPATION_OF_MEPHALA
		god_names = {
			GOD_MEPHALA
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_meridia = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.8 0.8 0.55 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = MERIDIAS_BEACON
		god_names = {
			GOD_MERIDIA
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_molag = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.49 0 0.21 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = BOOK_OF_MOLAG
		god_names = {
			GOD_MOLAG_BAL
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_namira = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.71 1 0 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = VOICE_OF_NAMIRA
		god_names = {
			GOD_NAMIRA
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_nocturnal = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0 0.14 0.38 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = BLESSING_OF_NOCTURNAL
		god_names = {
			GOD_NOCTURNAL
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_nightingale = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx
		icon = 9
		color = { 0 0.14 0.30 }
		parent = daedra_nocturnal
		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_peryite = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.3 0.6 0 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = PERYITES_FOLLY
		god_names = {
			GOD_PERYITE
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_sanguine = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.49 0 0 }

		crusade_name = "SUBLIME_CRUSADE"
		scripture_name = SUBLIME_WISDOM
		god_names = {
			GOD_SANGUINE
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_sheogorath = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0 0.6 0.6 }

		crusade_name = "WAR_OF_MADNESS"
		scripture_name = ACCORDS_OF_MADNESS
		god_names = {
			GOD_SHEOGORATH
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_jyggalag = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx
		icon = 9
		color = { 0.3 0.6 1 }
		parent = daedra_sheogorath
		scripture_name = ACCORDS_OF_ORDER
		god_names = {
			GOD_JYGGALAG
		}
		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes
		can_grant_claim = yes
		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	daedra_vaermina = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx

		icon = 8
		color = { 0.34 0 0.49 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = CORRUPTION_OF_VAERMINA
		god_names = {
			GOD_VAERMINA
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
	malak = {
		graphical_culture = westerngfx
		icon = 15
		color = { 0.3 0 0.1 }

		crusade_name = "HOLY_WAR"
		scripture_name = THE_WAR
		god_names = {
			GOD_MALAK
		}

		investiture = no
		can_excommunicate = no
		can_grant_divorce = yes

		can_grant_claim = yes

		priests_can_marry = yes
	}
}

 

[vincentc]

No problem

Keep in mind that your pre-existing saves will still be bloated without editing, but further saves should be ok.

Thanks.

I still have old, pre-bloated save files. Hopefully I can continue without issues.

 

[Arakhor]

Someone suggested running your savefile through Notepad++ (not Notepad) and deleting all references to 'mage', but I can't vouch for its reliability or safety.

 

[Leztoon]

Does anyone know if there are specific colours assigned to the daedra anywhere in the lore?
Only i was thinking on how theyre all green so i was editing my copy so they wouldnt be but mostly its just all made up colours. I think for the Eight and Nine the colours are those of the temples in daggerfall so they were easily findable.

I think it depends on the Daedric realm they cme from, from Oblivion I remember the Daedra from Mehrunes Dagon's realm being mainly red and black whereas the Daedra frm Shepgoraths realm were gold and black.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?url=ht...a=X&ei=teNnUcDeL7Oo0wXZ9YH4Ag&ved=0CDQQygQwAA

 

[Oktobermensch]

Huh, so the bloating, slowdown and crash are a common thing it seems. A shame if you ask me, but I'm looking forward to a fix.

 

[MasterOfGrey]

It's a vanilla issue that is exacerbated by the size of the mod.

 

[Korbah]

It's a vanilla issue that is exacerbated by the size of the mod.

That's the assumption but we won't know for sure until the "related" vanilla issue is fixed. I've done a hasty revert to 1.091 to test the mod and had a crash still after 200 years of gameplay (although I didn't revert *the mod* to 1.091, only CK2), so at this point I'm worrying that Elder Kings might be the icarus of CK2 modding.

 

[Oktobermensch]

Its never been an issue for me in vanilla but the game tends to get memory-hungry with bigger saves. I can imagine how the mod makes it worse, but surely its not something beyond human ability to fix?

 

[Korbah]

Its never been an issue for me in vanilla but the game tends to get memory-hungry with bigger saves. I can imagine how the mod makes it worse, but surely its not something beyond human ability to fix?

Sure, feel free to take a crack at it

 

[Novacat]

Huh, so the bloating, slowdown and crash are a common thing it seems. A shame if you ask me, but I'm looking forward to a fix.

The savegame bloating is a mod issue and has since been fixed. The slowdown and crash, however, is a vanilla thing that we simply cannot fix on our end. The latest tests has the game crashing about 40-50 years in, with the savegame only being ~35 megabytes. Exiting CK2 and reloading does not help, as the game usually crashes about a year later.

 

[Korbah]

The savegame bloating is a mod issue and has since been fixed. The slowdown and crash, however, is a vanilla thing that we simply cannot fix on our end. The latest tests has the game crashing about 40-50 years in, with the savegame only being ~35 megabytes.

With 1.092 the mod crashes at anywhere from 40-100 years in, with CK2 (but not the mod) downgraded to 1.091 without 4GB fix applied it lasts 200 or so years. I'm running a 1.091 with the 4GB fix applied and I'm currently 100 years in.

 

[Oktobermensch]

Well, that really puts stop to any sensible playing.