you forget that prior to tiber septim, humans and elves tried to drive each other into extinction or subjugation over the era's, so it wouldn't hurt the lore at all.
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you forget that prior to tiber septim, humans and elves tried to drive each other into extinction or subjugation over the era's, so it wouldn't hurt the lore at all.
I said restrict it to them, not make it universal. I was proposing a way to model racism using traits.
Please try to keep up.
As a lore buff I have to point out that is all bs, for instance the Direnni family were full of altmers that constantly bred with humans, hence why we have bretons now, the bretons are literally a hybrid of elf and human breeding
Okay, dude; restricting it to them, does not mean universal. Its a way to model racism from the high elf perspective. Copy paste it for the remainders if you must, my main point was pointing out to Blood And Steel that a trait connected with culture and religion is doable and much better than an automatic "Doesn't match ethnicity? Hate them." thing he was proposing.
Not pre-septim, Pre-Alessian, hell pre-pre-pre-alessian.
When the humans first arrived and were an invasion into mer claim lands, in which it has to do with conditions and forces not arbitrary racism.
Everything thats needing is already done so by conditions in the game, religion and etc modifiers. Nothing arbitrary is needed.
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There were even some Aylied kingdoms that joined with Alessia and relations with the elven races during the rule of the Remans were fine.
again the direnni family were fighting the empire for a long time, but they grew into the human families.
...That doesn't mean they were racist, your point was that the Elves before the third empire were racists they just didn't want to be under the rule of the empire. ._.
and I believe every is forgetting that the first aldmerian dominion was trying the beat the humans out of power and into subjugation. almost every time the elves saw "weakness/or a growing uncontrollable power" in the humans they attacked.
Oh, wow, a government trying to become more powerful? Surely, this is evidence of every single high elf being automatically racist due to their genes!
Nono that was only the 4th era one, the first second era one believed that the humans would just continue to cause wars and the second didn't even care about dominating Tamriel.
they didn't believe in power but they didn't want the humans to have the power the bring tamerial down.
That still doesn't equal racism though plus the third Dominion doesn't really care about racial superiority its more about unmaking mundus, only reason they are killing humans is because they are afraid humans will remake Mundus which they see as a prison.
Cider, thank you for continuing to deal with this idiocy. Me... I think I'll head back to /gsg/. At least they have an understand of what they're talking about. I can feel my intelligence seeping away when I read B&S's posts.
They didnt believe that they should be conquered and subjugated, no.
If anyone is their hereditary enemy its the maormer, especially when talking about the 2E and as the dominion was largely there to protect against them.
The thalmor are a radical political faction that have nothing to do with altmer, and nothing at all to do with the altmer of the 2E when the mod is primarily set.
Seriously, for pages now you've been going on about this, but if you dont want to hear what other people have to say then dont ask. If you want to talk off-topic theres an OT forum, or hell whole ES forums out there but id suggest you read up on the UESP first.
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my point, they still have defferent reasons to dislike humanity. But the dark elves like humanity more than the high elves "food for thought" but I think they need something to make them dislike humans a little like -2 or -5 not -10.
Am I right in guessing that the Orsimer portrait set is not yet completed?
In case you guys still didn't get it, now you should know it's pointless to try and explain this to BaS. Maybe it is so because he cannot speak english very well, maybe he's just too stubborn to agree with the truth over his personal opinion on it (politics), but yes, there is no point in trying anymore.
@BaS
Go play Morrowind as a human (or even a dark elf or any other race in that case, lol), see who's nicer to you - the local dunmer or some of the altmer. Case solved
EDIT: And the opinion penalty as of now depends entirely on culture and religion - elves raised by nords would be completely fine with the nords, but not so much with other elves, and vice versa.
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Just a thought, what religion are the maormer?
From the sounds of things lorewise they are definetly isolated from every one and probably would worship their immortal wizard king but i don't remember a religion for that from the earlier lists, but I havent gone back to check.
From the sounds of things lorewise they are definetly isolated from every one and probably would worship their immortal wizard king but i don't remember a religion for that from the earlier lists, but I havent gone back to check.
I'd have to check, but I think right now they're Auri-El (Mer aedric pantheon).
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