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I believe there is already a negative opinion modifier for having a different race. That should be on top of the Foreigner modifier. An additional modifier would be too much, in my opinion.
 

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Except that not all High Elves dislike humans. Its much more of a political and racial supremacy view, which would connect it with traits (admittedly, they would be common).
yes but you forget the less they like them in the game the more likely they will declare war and I wont to murder a bunch of elves, but that could be just me, "stupid thalmar
 

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Everyone bow before the new High Kingdom!

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Admire the peculiar High King!

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Long Live High King Matuk I "the Agent" gro-Ghamonk Mulakh of High Rock!
 
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Orsimer needs to calm the Hell down.

I believe there is already a negative opinion modifier for having a different race. That should be on top of the Foreigner modifier. An additional modifier would be too much, in my opinion.

There isn't, actually. Only the Foreigner penalty is in, if I remember right.
 
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yes but you forget the less they like them in the game the more likely they will declare war and I wont to murder a bunch of elves, but that could be just me, "stupid thalmar

How, exactly, is that justification? Look, just slapping a "Don't like humans" modifier on every single High Elf doesn't make sense. A very common trait would work far better; connect it to high elf culture and religion, and that keeps a High Elf raised in Nibenay with the associated culture and religion from automatically hating everyone he's ever known. Hell, I don't agree with the negative modifier that already comes with race (assuming that Dwarfnator is correct), and will probably remove it myself.
 

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Everyone bow before the new High Kingdom!

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Admire the peculiar High King!

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Long Live High King Matuk I "the Agent" gro-Ghamonk Mulakh of High Rock!

So wait we can have the titles of past TES heroes? SO I CAN RULE AS THE NEREVARINE?!
 

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How, exactly, is that justification? Look, just slapping a "Don't like humans" modifier on every single High Elf doesn't make sense. A very common trait would work far better; connect it to high elf culture and religion, and that keeps a High Elf raised in Nibenay with the associated culture and religion from automatically hating everyone he's ever known. Hell, I don't agree with the negative modifier that already comes with race (assuming that Dwarfnator is correct), and will probably remove it myself.
it could be a trait but that would be hard, and I think it ifs the high elves well, because they think there better than every body else, that's one of the main reason's I don't like high elves, nor do I like stormcloaks due to racism.
 

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it could be a trait but that would be hard, and I think it ifs the high elves well, because they think there better than every body else, that's one of the main reason's I don't like high elves, nor do I like stormcloaks due to racism.

.... oh dear Padomay, the irony.

Let me run that by you, just so you can see what you wrote. "I don't like high elves because they're all racist". That is, essentially, what you said.

Please think on it for a moment.
 

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it could be a trait but that would be hard, and I think it ifs the high elves well, because they think there better than every body else, that's one of the main reason's I don't like high elves, nor do I like stormcloaks due to racism.

Not all Altmer have that quality though and its actually a really common personality trait among leaders and powerful warriors and mages in TES
 

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.... oh dear Padomay, the irony.

Let me run that by you, just so you can see what you wrote. "I don't like high elves because they're all racist". That is, essentially, what you said.

Please think on it for a moment.

hahahaha if you knew how many people are racist against me, Hitler was racist against us, if im correct he was so racist he killed 3million of us. Yah im jewish and jewish is not just a religion its a race as well, but Elves are not real so I cant be racist against them, I like dunmer and bosmer, but hate Altmer
 

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hahahaha if you knew how many people are racist against me, Hitler was racist against us, if im correct he was so racist he killed 3million of us. Yah im jewish and jewish is not just a religion its a race as well, but Elves are not real so I cant be racist against them, I like dunmer and bosmer, but hate Altmer

You hate Altmer for being racist and thinking they are better then everyone yet you like the Dunmer? :p Dunmer aren't that accepting of other races
 

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hahahaha if you knew how many people are racist against me, Hitler was racist against us, if im correct he was so racist he killed 3million of us. Yah im jewish and jewish is not just a religion its a race as well, but Elves are not real so I cant be racist against them, I like dunmer and bosmer, but hate Altmer

Whatever man. You're the one arguing that all Altmer are racist, not me.
 

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Whatever man. You're the one arguing that all Altmer are racist, not me.
im saying its almost impossible to have a few racist and a few not racist, the games engine might not allow it. So im saying that they should have a thing that makes them dislike them a little bit.
 

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im saying its almost impossible to have a few racist and a few not racist, the games engine might not allow it. So im saying that they should have a thing that makes them dislike them a little bit.

.... so, its possible for the game to represent ambition, sins, virtues, just, fighting capability, and posession of dragons through traits.... but not racism?
 

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yah but that doesn't make them more willingly to go to war. I personally think that all altmers should have it, due it them thinking the have the right to rule.
 

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There could be an opinion modifier "High Elf v Human -10" or something like that.

There already in different religion groups and the different cultures or racial traits relationship modifier as well.

Why need something addition to force conflict when existing conditions already provide differences and conditions based differences that dont depend on overgeneralisations and irrational simplifications.

Just because the game Skyrim is centred around a thalmor ruled high elf-human conflict does not mean all high elves in all times are thalmor, as the lore makes very clear.
It wouldnt fit with the setting, while it would satisfy people who have only played skyrim think in black v white terms about everything it wouldnt make sense. Altmer are no more isolationist than most of the other races and if anything less than the dunmer.

Basically youre saying that because some jews see themselves as the chosen people all should have a massive negative modifier which everyone else and be more warlike. Which is stupid. The Altmer dont hate other races, they just see themselves as the true heirs of the Aldmer and true purest descendants of the Gods and so best, and theres a MASSIVE difference between seeing yourself as best and hating everyone else. If there is a xenophobic or racist trait that some characters get, then no more altmer should end up with it than other other race.
 
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yah but that doesn't make them more willingly to go to war. I personally think that all altmers should have it, due it them thinking the have the right to rule.

Trait name - Altmer Supremacy. Effect; lowers relationship with all who don't have it (the reverse is possible, this is probably just more obscure). Restrict the trait to those who register as Altmer. With Altmer religion and culture, make obtaining the trait more likely.
 

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Trait name - Altmer Supremacy. Effect; lowers relationship with all who don't have it (the reverse is possible, this is probably just more obscure). Restrict the trait to those who register as Altmer. With Altmer religion and culture, make obtaining the trait more likely.

That sounds great....if all Altmer were racist like we've been telling you for awhile now if we're going by that then all nords are racist as well as dunmer.
 

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Trait name - Altmer Supremacy. Effect; lowers relationship with all who don't have it (the reverse is possible, this is probably just more obscure). Restrict the trait to those who register as Altmer. With Altmer religion and culture, make obtaining the trait more likely.

Why treat altmer supremancy anything different from dumner or nord or argonian.
All it would mean is altmer couldnt rule over bosmer as the arbitary relationship hit would do them damage.
So the 2E dominion would start to fall apart as soon as the game was unpaused.
 
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