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That's some greatly detailed attires there. Shame you have to cram those into 152x152 squares.

True. Which is why I work larger and downscale.

If you could send me them that would be awesome thanks buddy

I will try and remember to get those to you. If you want, PM me an e-mail to send to.

i swear to my mother that absolutely fantastic, finish soon and publish on steam workshop.

I don't actually like Steam Workshop, but I may consider it.

Anyways, here's the final renders of the male clothing and headgear. I've replaced the faces with a neutral green (helps spot problems with opacity), so hopefully it's not too jarring.
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Also, started on the females. Probably going to take a little bit longer than the males by virtue of the complexity.
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i think you should work for paradox jejeje, you do great job here.. and improve portrait for paradox, you will get much money jejeje lol
 

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New clothing looks excellent.

Thanks. I've significantly expanded my skillset towards portrait modding over the last two years, as well as my knowledge of the appropriate source material and access to the right material and people.

That being said, here's a sample of two new female headgears in addition to a fix on the one previously posted.

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What's that first hat there, the fancy one? Empress-tier?
 

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What's that first hat there, the fancy one? Empress-tier?

Yup. Probably going to embellish it a bit more. There was never a "Cuman Emperor" in the sense of having as much power as an emperor has in-game, so I've taken a slightly anachronistic approach, possibly. I pretty much just reconstructions of kurgan stelae and stuff like S.A. Pletneva's drawings to redo them. Basically, the outfits consist of a headscarf, a cap or hat, and then a top hat which may or may not have horns. The hats themselves are basically pentagonal felt structures held together by a wood frame and are the progenitors to modern cowboy hats.

In either case, here's another update.

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I'm glad you used S.A. Pletneva's studies while creating these pices of arts :) Thumbs up!
How about Pecheneg ensemble? I read somewhere their nobles prefered Iranian suits, while lowborns wore caps of fleece and waistcoats made of leather.
 

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can we use steppe portrait for mordvin and mongol?

You can, although it would be wholly inappropriate. Mongol in particular. The hats are kinda unique to the peoples of Desht-i-Kipchak. I may actually do an update to the Mongol clothing because I find them to be very inaccurate and I have already recreated around 20-30 articles of Mongol clothing in MD3 and Max just in case I needed them.

So basically medieval cuman cowboys? I can live with that :)

And sheepherders. They did ride horses from basically birth, but they had large flocks of sheep (like the Karakul sheep comprising the Phyrgian cap on one of the "common" male hats above) and cattle (which they tended to trade to the Rus). I would say their herds of livestock are much larger.

Anyways, the women wore some goofy-looking stuff. My first round was a little more all-encompassing. But, since the official Turks are based on the ones from the Ustyurt to Tien Shan and southwards, I can focus the Cumans a little more to apply a good level of Turkish variety. I may do the Pechenegs, are least with the headgear, but I have other plans before I really focus on that.

I'm glad you used S.A. Pletneva's studies while creating these pices of arts :) Thumbs up!
How about Pecheneg ensemble? I read somewhere their nobles prefered Iranian suits, while lowborns wore caps of fleece and waistcoats made of leather.

Pletneva is invaluable, but there are others like Pritsak who were also useful. I've mentioned before, but I did have help with the research: One being a historical fashion student living in Russia who was an exchange student at my high school (who helped provide search terms and sites in Russian for me) and the other being an actual historian/archaeologist (who suggested books and other professional contacts for questions). Without them, I would certainly be lost, haha.

As to the Pecheneg's clothing, the Iranian "suits" were pretty much the standard riding gear for a while. The Byzantines adopted a version of it sometime after Justinian when they began to move away from "Classical" wear. The Turkic tribes also used them in various forms for thousands of years. And the basic gist is an outer-garment (kaftan, qaba', divestesion (?), khalat, yalma) with a right-over-left cross if the material did cross or was double-breasted. The "waistcoat" idea was more common amongst the Vlachs, who would even wear them with fur on the outside. They did like to wear felt, fur, and fleece caps. They stopped really utilizing the Central Asian boerk style of cap, which is a felt, fur, or fleece "bowl" with flaps that could be turned up (e.g. the "Cuman Cap", sometimes with a metal or wood framework on the inside or even made with silk).

For more info, I would recommend Yedida Kalfon-Stillman's book, the databases of Encyclopedia Iranica, the Etymological Dictionary of Pre-13th Century Turkish, Persian min'ai paintings, the Varqah wa Gulshah, and just about any assessment of a kurgan stelae (like the Filatovka burial). Sadly, recreations are not as prevalent, and the availability of resources in English is difficult, but if you have knowledge of Russian or you can translate the Google translate you can make do pretty well.

Also, I would recommend doing an inter-library loan or using Worldcat or JSTOR to find comprehensive works on Byzantine, Persian, Mesopotamian, or Central Asian art. You can find a lot of info there, especially perusing margin notes.

show us new pictures :)

Wish I could. I spent the weekend taking my wife and in-laws to an amusement park, and then finished with some Cards Against Humanity and Settlers of Catan. I'll do more work this week and hopefully get a release ready sometime within the next two weeks.
 

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Man, you're doing fantastic job! If I have even the slightest part in influencing you to return doing these amazing and beautiful clothing and portraits, I'd be really glad!
 

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Man, you're doing fantastic job! If I have even the slightest part in influencing you to return doing these amazing and beautiful clothing and portraits, I'd be really glad!

Thanks! You certainly do have an impact. I like talking about this stuff here. I see views but no discussion and it gets disheartening, although that hasn't been an issue recently. So, by commenting here you (and the others) do give me the drive to work on them. My real life is very busy with work and an infant, so having something to help drive me to use my limited free time is excellent. :D

What's your opinion on the new Persian pack?

It's awesome.