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Yo sigo con mi ordenador escacharrado, y probablemente hasta principios de verano se mantenga así la situación. Otros tendrán que probarlo por mi :(
 

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Is it still possible to release a alpha release of this mod we can toy around with before you go on holiday?
 

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Recordad que últimamente he estado muy ocupado y no he podido avanzar mucho. Hay partes que no están terminadas como los gobernadores romanos, a muchos les falta una dinastía. Hay muchas otras cosas por ajustar, como la Britania pre-romana, que ha de ser tribal y no feudal, pero ya lo cambiare en volver de vacaciones. Pasarlo bien probandolo y notificarme cualquier tipo de bug o fallo histórico, tratare de corregirlo en volver de vacaciones.

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I've tried the mod, and there a few things that I've noticed:
-Cyprus should be Roman. According to the wiki: The Battle of Actium in 31 BC marked the end of the civil war and Octavian gained control of all of Egypt including Cyprus. Cyprus was left under control of Octavian's legatis until it could be further dealt with. In 22 BC Cyprus was separated from the Cilicia and became a senatorial province without a standing army. So Cyprus should be a province from 22 BC onwards, and not part of Cilicia in later bookmarks like it is now.

-Marcus Agrippa should be added as a character and a friend of Augustus. They were close friends, Agrippa was basically the right hand during Augustus' early reign. Agrippa was even considered as an heir by Augustus.
 

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I've tried the mod, and there a few things that I've noticed:
-Cyprus should be Roman. According to the wiki: The Battle of Actium in 31 BC marked the end of the civil war and Octavian gained control of all of Egypt including Cyprus. Cyprus was left under control of Octavian's legatis until it could be further dealt with. In 22 BC Cyprus was separated from the Cilicia and became a senatorial province without a standing army. So Cyprus should be a province from 22 BC onwards, and not part of Cilicia in later bookmarks like it is now.

-Marcus Agrippa should be added as a character and a friend of Augustus. They were close friends, Agrippa was basically the right hand during Augustus' early reign. Agrippa was even considered as an heir by Augustus.
Vale, en volver aplicaré los cambios. Si encuentras alguna otra cosa avisame.
 

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-Rodas debería pertenecer a Roma, no a Lycia, habiendo sido invadida y saqueada por Cayo Casio Longino por apoyar al segundo triunvirato y tras la guerra anexionada definitivamente a Roma (anteriormente habías sido un estado cliente desde la Guerra Seléucida).
-Tal vez varias provincias de Cilicia debería ser romanas (de hecho, la mayoría de la provincia era romana, con Tarso siendo una ciudad muy importante dentro del Estado romano, pero se mantenían a varios reyezuelos clientes independientes), por lo que dejaría el centro de la región como romana y el oeste como reino clientelar, o incluso enteramente romana, pues los reyes clientes occidentales eran meramente testimoniales, y los reyes de la parte oriental de Cilicia habían perdido mucho territorio en el 31 AC por apoyar a Marco Antonio en su guerra contra Augusto.
-No sé si no querías hacer otros clientes en Palmira y Emesa o no te has dado cuenta.
-Sobre Commagene, he estado leyendo y creo que debería ser también cliente romano, si bien era "independiente". Al fin y al cabo, los reyes estaban aliados con Roma permanentemente, los hijos de la nobleza eran enviados a Roma para educarse, etc. Además, por el bien del gameplay es mejor que sea un tributario de Roma, o entre ese imperio y el parto no dura independiente ni 2 telediarios.
-Aparte de todos esos, en la región solo te quedarían por poner como clientes de Roma a Armenia, Albania e Iberia (además de Bósforo en el norte del Mar Negro), y luego todos los demás estados de la región (Osroene, Adiabene y Atropatene) serían clientes del Imperio Parto.
-Podrías poner de cultura siria a la provincia judía al este del lago Galilea para así representar la Decápolis. Igualmente, el norte de Crimea debería ser de cultura escita y no griega, y las 2 provincias al norte de la propia península también (lo que no quita que deban formar parte del reino griego de Bósforo).
-Sería bueno si pudiese poner de distinto color a las 2 tribus retias de color verde oscuro que están juntas. Es un poco confuso.

PD: me refiero al bookmark de Augusto, claro.
 
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The Upper Germanic and Rhaetian Limes should be Roman territory from around 74 AD until 250 AD., starting from the times of the Falvians until the Crisis of the Third Century According to this wiki:

Flavian dynasty[edit]
The first advance came about 74 AD, when what is now Baden was invaded and in part annexed and a road carried from the Roman base on the upper Rhine, Straßburg, to the Danube just above Ulm. The point of the angle was broken off.

The second advance was made by Domitian about 83 AD. He pushed out from Moguntiacum, extended the Roman territory east of it and enclosed the whole within a systematically delimited and defended frontier with numerous blockhouses along it and larger forts in the rear. Among the blockhouses was one which by various enlargements and refoundations grew into the well-known Saalburg fort on the Taunus near Bad Homburg. This advance necessitated a third movement, the construction of a frontier connecting the annexations of AD 74 and AD 83 . We know the line of this frontier which ran from the Main across the upland Odenwald to the upper waters of the Neckar and was defended by a chain of forts. We do not, however, know its date, save that, if not Domitian's work, it was carried out soon after his death, and the whole frontier thus constituted was reorganised, probably by Hadrian, with a continuous wooden palisade reaching from Rhine to Danube.

Hadrian and the Antonines[edit]

The tower "WP 14/55" at the Upper German-Raetian border wall
The angle between the rivers was now almost full. But there remained further advance and further fortification. Either Hadrian or, more probably, his successor Antoninus Pius pushed out from the Odenwald and the Danube, and marked out a new frontier roughly parallel to, but in advance of these two lines, though sometimes, as on the Taunus, coinciding with the older line. This is the frontier which is now visible and visited by the curious. It consists, as we see it today, of two distinct frontier works, one, known as the Pfahlgraben, is a palisade of stakes with a ditch and earthen mound behind it, best seen in the neighbourhood of the Saalburg but once extending from the Rhine southwards into southern Germany. The other, which begins where the earthwork stops, is a wall, though not a very formidable wall, of stone, the Teufelsmauer; it runs roughly east and west parallel to the Danube, which it finally joins at Heinheim near Regensburg. The southern part of the Pfahlgraben is remarkably straight; for over 50 km it points almost absolutely true for Polaris.

This frontier remained for about 100 years, and no doubt in that long period much was done to it to which precise dates are difficult to fix. It cannot even be absolutely certain when the frontier laid out by Pius was equipped with the manpitts and other special fortifications. But we know that the pressure of the barbarians began to be felt seriously in the later part of the 2nd century, and after long struggles the whole or almost the whole district east of the Rhine and north of the Danube was lost, seemingly all within one short period, about 250.
Another few things that should be changed:
-The Rhaetians and Noricans should both be of the Celtic culture, and not Etruscan. Rhaetians were fully Celticized by the time of Augusts, and the Noricans were Celtic tribes.
-Pontifex Lepidus should be 61 and not 26 at the start of Augustus' reign.
-Marcus Agrippa was consul at the start of the Principate bookmark. Maybe you could a Consul title? Or something else, because I think you need to find a way to represent Marcus Agrippa being second in command to Augustus and having most of the powers that Augustus had. Marcus Agrippa had tribunician powers(Tribune of the Plebs), had the imperium just as Augustus and could command legions. He also was in charge of the eastern provinces two times.
-Make Agrippa at the start of the Principate bookmark governor of some of Gallic provinces? He was in charge of reorganizing Gaul, laying the foundation of the road system in Gaul and had public buildings commissioned during his time in Gaul.
-The governor of Roman Egypt at the start of the Principate bookmark. should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Gallus, there's also a list of all the Roman governors of Egypt until the early Byzantine period, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...dia.org/wiki/List_of_governors_of_Roman_Egypt
-There's a list of Roman Governors of the following provinces:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_Roman_governors
-Jumping ahead, at the start of the Year of Four Emperors bookmark, Otho should be governor of Lusitania. Vitellius should be governor of Germania Inferior. While he only was appointed command of the legions stationed there at the end of 68 AD by Galba, he should already be governor of that province for gameplay reasons. Vespasian should be governor of Syria, he was in command of the legions in the Eastern provinces to suppress the Jewish Revolt.
-Otho at the start of the bookmark should be in revolt against Galba.
-All should have a claim on the Roman Empire.
-You should represent the Jewish Revolt by having a revolt against the Jewish king with the Romans allied to him.
-At the start of the Year of Five Emperors bookmark, Pertinax should be emperor. Didius Julianus should be in revolt against Pertinax. Septimius Severus should be governor of Pannonia. Pescennius Niger should be governor of Syria. Clodius Albinus should be governor of both Gallia Belgica and Britannia. All should have a claim on the Roman Empire.
-At the start of the Crisis of the Third Century bookmark, Maximinus Thrax should be emperor. I know you still haven't developed this bookmark, but I think you should add a year of the Six Emperors bookmark as well, because then the fun started. Gordian should be governor of the African proconsularis bookmark.Pupienus and Balbinus should have some lands in Italy, maybe even governor of Italy. I don't know if you want to add a Senate title/merchant republic that allows them to revolt against the Emperor or even proclaima governor an emperor that has a lot of support from the legions(in game-terms that would mean a character that has a lot of money and martial I guess?) Gordian II should be the son of Gordian I. And Gordian III should be the son of some made up father and Antonia Gordiana, sister of Gordian II.
-Pannonia should be split into Pannonia Inferior and Superior from the start of the Trajan bookmark.
-Numidia should be split from Africa proconsularis at the start of the Severus bookmark
-Syria should be split into Syria-Coele and Syria-Phoenicia at the start of the same bookmark
-Osroene should be a Roman province from 195 onwards.
-Mesopotamia should be a Roman province from 198 onwards. It should not be confused with the province conquered by Trajan and returned to Parthia after Hadrian's withdrawal to the old frontiers. As you can see on this map.
 
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Mmm. Si lo hubiese conocido antes te hubiese dicho de usar el mapa del mod Ibn Battuta, pues su autor permite que los usen siempre que le den créditos y le pidan permiso. Arregla mucho el desastre de provincias que hizo Paradox en África y Oriente Medio.
 
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Acabo de volver de mi viaje a Berlín , una ciudad preciosa y con mucha historia. Mañana mismo comienzo a arreglar todas las cosas que me has enumerado, muchas gracias por tu ayuda.

The Upper Germanic and Rhaetian Limes should be Roman territory from around 74 AD until 250 AD., starting from the times of the Falvians until the Crisis of the Third Century According to this wiki:



Another few things that should be changed:
-The Rhaetians and Noricans should both be of the Celtic culture, and not Etruscan. Rhaetians were fully Celticized by the time of Augusts, and the Noricans were Celtic tribes.
-Pontifex Lepidus should be 61 and not 26 at the start of Augustus' reign.
-Marcus Agrippa was consul at the start of the Principate bookmark. Maybe you could a Consul title? Or something else, because I think you need to find a way to represent Marcus Agrippa being second in command to Augustus and having most of the powers that Augustus had. Marcus Agrippa had tribunician powers(Tribune of the Plebs), had the imperium just as Augustus and could command legions. He also was in charge of the eastern provinces two times.
-Make Agrippa at the start of the Principate bookmark governor of some of Gallic provinces? He was in charge of reorganizing Gaul, laying the foundation of the road system in Gaul and had public buildings commissioned during his time in Gaul.
-The governor of Roman Egypt at the start of the Principate bookmark. should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Gallus, there's also a list of all the Roman governors of Egypt until the early Byzantine period, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...dia.org/wiki/List_of_governors_of_Roman_Egypt
-There's a list of Roman Governors of the following provinces:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_Roman_governors
-Jumping ahead, at the start of the Year of Four Emperors bookmark, Otho should be governor of Lusitania. Vitellius should be governor of Germania Inferior. While he only was appointed command of the legions stationed there at the end of 68 AD by Galba, he should already be governor of that province for gameplay reasons. Vespasian should be governor of Syria, he was in command of the legions in the Eastern provinces to suppress the Jewish Revolt.
-Otho at the start of the bookmark should be in revolt against Galba.
-All should have a claim on the Roman Empire.
-You should represent the Jewish Revolt by having a revolt against the Jewish king with the Romans allied to him.
-At the start of the Year of Five Emperors bookmark, Pertinax should be emperor. Didius Julianus should be in revolt against Pertinax. Septimius Severus should be governor of Pannonia. Pescennius Niger should be governor of Syria. Clodius Albinus should be governor of both Gallia Belgica and Britannia. All should have a claim on the Roman Empire.
-At the start of the Crisis of the Third Century bookmark, Maximinus Thrax should be emperor. I know you still haven't developed this bookmark, but I think you should add a year of the Six Emperors bookmark as well, because then the fun started. Gordian should be governor of the African proconsularis bookmark.Pupienus and Balbinus should have some lands in Italy, maybe even governor of Italy. I don't know if you want to add a Senate title/merchant republic that allows them to revolt against the Emperor or even proclaima governor an emperor that has a lot of support from the legions(in game-terms that would mean a character that has a lot of money and martial I guess?) Gordian II should be the son of Gordian I. And Gordian III should be the son of some made up father and Antonia Gordiana, sister of Gordian II.
-Pannonia should be split into Pannonia Inferior and Superior from the start of the Trajan bookmark.
-Numidia should be split from Africa proconsularis at the start of the Severus bookmark
-Syria should be split into Syria-Coele and Syria-Phoenicia at the start of the same bookmark
-Osroene should be a Roman province from 195 onwards.
-Mesopotamia should be a Roman province from 198 onwards. It should not be confused with the province conquered by Trajan and returned to Parthia after Hadrian's withdrawal to the old frontiers. As you can see on this map.
 

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Also if you're going to work on the Tetrarchy bookmark, I'd suggest that you should have separate Caesar and Augusti titles. The Setup of the map for this bookmark that would most make sense, is by having Diocletian as Sensior Augustus, with Maximian as junior augustus, with the two junior partners(Caesar) being Galerius and Constantius Chlorus. Diocletian would have the East, Maximian Italy and Africa, Galerius Illyricum and Constantius Britain, Gaul and Spain. Diocletian should have the Imperator title(as he was senior augustus), with Maximian as a direct vassal, as well as Galerius as junior Augustus. Constantius should be a direct vassal of Maximian.

Edit: But then you have the problem of governors having kingdom titles as well, if the Junior Augustus and the two Caesars are represented with a kingdom title. Hmm, that would be hard to represent. As that would mean that the governors would be vassals of the Augusti and Caesars of that particular district, and that would not be possible if the governors are represented with kingdom titles.

Here's a map of the districts that were assigned to the Augusti and Caesars.
 
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He seems quiet, hopefully we didn't stress his brains out too much with the amount of information I gave him.:oops:
 

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Así que... ¿el mod ha muerto?

Una lástima, prometía mucho.
Creo que necesitas dejar un poco de tiempo por Javi después de declarar que la modificación está "muerta". Hacer una conversión completa del juego no es fácil, y necesita mucho tiempo para terminar un trabajo de esta envergadura.
 

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Creo que necesitas dejar un poco de tiempo por Javi después de declarar que la modificación está "muerta". Hacer una conversión completa del juego no es fácil, y necesita mucho tiempo para terminar un trabajo de esta envergadura.
Lo entiendo, y yo mismo he dicho siempre que se lo tome con calma. Lo que me mosquea es que haya pasado un mes sin pasarse, cuando siempre posteaba y nos comentaba como iba avanzando el proyecto.
 

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Dale tiempo antes de sepultarlo, vamos a esperar que puede haber pasado cualqueir cosa.