[MOD] Britannia 479 AD - The Winter King

[Ols]

I think the fertility thing I mentioned is the case for all Pendragons - or maybe even all characters. I'm starting to suspect it has something to do with how the pregnancy system itself works, perhaps men are getting their willingness to have children capped too soon or they're not getting many chances to have them. I usually spend at least a few months a year not at war, which should be enough time to get my wife pregnant. If it's still a problem the have a son ambition could be boosted or you could implement the have five children/have ten children ambition they have in at least GoT mod. I think I suggested Caer Cadarn in the first place, I did say it shouldn't be available to the King, but I might have said something else to encourage you to make it difficult to form.

It's hard to prioritize among your ideas, you have too many and all of them good...

I could colour code them into high priority for a bugfix, medium priority for a small scale title change or event change, and low priority for a large scale event chain or title set. Could open a pastebin to try and keep the ideas of me, you and everyone else in one place - though half the posts seem to be "I put the mod in the program files directory, help" now.

I have to say, looking back on that Pendragon game - which resulted in Arthur's infant son inheriting and being deposed by the Lord of Avalon, ruling Icenia and eventually dying of the plague of Justinian in a war to take Dumnonia back (ending the male line since his son and cousin died) - it can be a real struggle to maintain a dynasty and not get wiped out if you're too small. The Pendragons are a real pain for disappearing too early though.

 

[Knives]

Are there new requirements for forming Ænglaland? I looked a bit in the title but I have no eye for the text and couldn't see what was wrong. If I look up the title ingame I meet all the requirements. I figured out that picking dane made my ruler inelligible for stuff so I used a cheat code to make him anglo-saxon and could then form the anglo-saxon kingdoms (I only form three) and that didn't seem to be enough, do I need all four or something?

 

[Luca0312]

Are there new requirements for forming Ænglaland? I looked a bit in the title but I have no eye for the text and couldn't see what was wrong. If I look up the title ingame I meet all the requirements. I figured out that picking dane made my ruler inelligible for stuff so I used a cheat code to make him anglo-saxon and could then form the anglo-saxon kingdoms (I only form three) and that didn't seem to be enough, do I need all four or something?

The Cynerice of Ænglaland can now be formed only through events... and it requires the existence of at least three anglo-saxon kings. I mean three different Kings, not Kingdoms. You need to claim the title of Bretwalda through a decision. You'll see the exact requirements as the decision should become visible as soon as some basic conditions are met (three kings is one of them). Once you claim the title, all the other anglo-saxon kings will have to decide whether to support you or not. If they do not, you can declare war on them to prove your worth. If you win, you immediately get another chance to claim the title, and the defeated king will not have the right to vote anymore.

Once someone becomes Bretwalda, the title will be strictly feudal elective, so one of the other Kings will be your successor when you die, while your own kingdom should go to your sons. However, any king who inherits the title rather than claiming it will have to meet the same high requirements, or the realm will collapse.

So it's a 'King of Kings' system rather than an Empire. If you hold everything yourself, you can not be Bretwalda. This is totally intentional.

 

[Knives]

So when you say three kings, is it okay if I am one of those three kings? Or do I need to be a king, with three other kings. Also, when you say 'other anglo-saxon kings' am I correct in reading that as, of anglo-saxon culture, or is it simply ruling anglo-saxon kingdoms?

With the information you've given me my adjusted plan seems to be, conquer enough land to have four kingdoms, hand one to my second and third son, and wait for the event. Would that work?

 

[Luca0312]

So when you say three kings, is it okay if I am one of those three kings? Or do I need to be a king, with three other kings. Also, when you say 'other anglo-saxon kings' am I correct in reading that as, of anglo-saxon culture, or is it simply ruling anglo-saxon kingdoms?

With the information you've given me my adjusted plan seems to be, conquer enough land to have four kingdoms, hand one to my second and third son, and wait for the event. Would that work?

It's three in total including you, and yes that plan would work with just three kingdoms and two sons. It's actually the only way of keeping the title of Bretwalda inside your dynasty. It's an exploit, but it is one that could have been easily tried in real life as well (under such laws), so I'm not against it...

The kingdoms must be at least three among these: Anglia, Mercia, Cantia, South Seaxe, West Seaxe, East Seaxe and Northumbria (the heptarchy).

The rulers must also be of anglosaxon or frisian culture (but they must be to hold the titles anyway).

 

[Knives]

Alrighty thanks for answering my questions

Since I'm curious I'll throw out a few more. Is there any ambitions to expand the options for danes? Such as titles. Also testing the cultures out, I can make high lordships as an anglo-saxon but not a frisian, is that intentional? I can still make the kingdoms as a frisian so no issue there.

 

[PerciXal]

Will vikings still invade even if I play my savegame before the new update or will I have to replay as the Picts?

 

[Luca0312]

Will vikings still invade even if I play my savegame before the new update or will I have to replay as the Picts?

The vikings will invade even with your old savegame. However, there are other changes in the update that could be troublesome with older saves. I can't guarantee compatibility, especially in the long run of the campaign.

 

[PerciXal]

Okay thanks. Another question. If I play as the Frisian duke, will I get to form the Anglo-Saxon titles or no?

 

[Luca0312]

Okay thanks. Another question. If I play as the Frisian duke, will I get to form the Anglo-Saxon titles or no?

Some of them, the ones belonging under Cantia, South Seaxe and West Seaxe. Not Anglia, Mercia, Northumbria, etc.

Keep in mind that if you play as a frisian, you'll have a special CB to recapture the heartland of your culture (if not ruled by a frisian of course), in this case Caletum and Gesoriacum, at least until the map is expanded...

If you can conquer that part of the map (Austrasia/Belgica) you can form the Kingdom of Frisia.

 

[Luca0312]

Is there any ambitions to expand the options for danes? Such as titles. Also testing the cultures out, I can make high lordships as an anglo-saxon but not a frisian, is that intentional? I can still make the kingdoms as a frisian so no issue there.

I'm not sure I understand the first question. The last update has 10+ titles for danes only, with de jure shifting, etc. However, starting the game as a danish ruler (created in the Ruler Designer) is not an option I really considered.

Regarding frisians, see my post above. Only some of the Jarldoms should be formable (the southern ones) and if, as you say, the Kingdoms of Mercia and Northumbria are creatable as frisians, that's actually not intentional and will be changed!

 

[Knives]

Ah thanks. I started as a dane and havn't really noticed any titles (except maybe high lordship of Cantware and The Weald? but maybe I have not expanded enough. For my question I was thinking more like empire or kingdom titles.

I'm considering changing my culture to Frisian since I kind of need them for the empire (and kind of want an empire) and it gives me a casus belli on the mainland from what you said earlier.

My memory wasn't fresh in mind, what I can form atm are two high lordships in the west (if anglo-saxon), and the kingdom of Cantia (as anyon so false alarm on the other two kingdoms) its funny though, with the territory I have now, I recall forming the kingdoms with less on a previous save.

 

[Luca0312]

For my question I was thinking more like empire or kingdom titles.

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These are de jure maps. There are 13 danes-only titles: 5 landless tribes, 5 Jarldoms, 2 Kingdoms and 1 High Kingdom.

As I said, I never really considered the option of a player starting as a Dane in 479 AD. It makes little sense. The titles are there for when the Danes start raiding and then invading, which can happen anytime after 630 AD but will not reach full scale until 790 or so.

 

[unmerged(505299)]

Is there any list or reasoning behind the current succession laws? Realizing too late that becoming Jarl of Lindsey actually doomed me; son got offed, and I somehow went from being agnatic-cognatic to purely agnatic. I wrote up a more in-depth train of thought on the matter but you had no room. Anyway, a list of culture/kingdom/laws'd be handy. Fantastic work!

 

[Knives]

Fair enough, I just saw dane and thought 'kool culture to try'. I didn't consider that their titles would require time to appear. It is definately early in this period for large invasions by the danes at this point.

Edit: Facepalm, I been playing 0.96.

 

[Luca0312]

Is there any list or reasoning behind the current succession laws? Realizing too late that becoming Jarl of Lindsey actually doomed me; son got offed, and I somehow went from being agnatic-cognatic to purely agnatic. I wrote up a more in-depth train of thought on the matter but you had no room. Anyway, a list of culture/kingdom/laws'd be handy. Fantastic work!

I'm not sure I understand... what do you mean with 'son got offed'? Anyway, all anglo-saxon jarldoms should always be purely agnatic by default.

I've cleared up my Inbox by the way!

 

[PerciXal]

what do you mean with 'son got offed'?

I think he means his heir got killed or died.

 

[Ipsissimus]

Thanks for the update. I'll try it now.

 

[elDrastico]

Once someone becomes Bretwalda, the title will be strictly feudal elective, so one of the other Kings will be your successor when you die, while your own kingdom should go to your sons.

sadly, this is not how it works. If your empire title has de jure lands, they (the counties you own and your vassals) will go with the empire title, only your kingdom titles will go to your sons (and disappear if you haven't already given them land)

 

[Ols]

sadly, this is not how it works. If your empire title has de jure lands, they (the counties you own and your vassals) will go with the empire title, only your kingdom titles will go to your sons (and disappear if you haven't already given them land)

They did early on but I mentioned this to Luca and now the title has cleanup events so that the empire will break apart properly into the de jure kingdoms.

Believe me, if you've watched the Cyrenice of Aenglaland form a few times you'll see it happening. There are also events which tie the hands of the Bretwalda so that he is forced to grant de jure titles to the correct King. If the Bretwalda has West Seaxe as a vassal and forms Devon himself, he has to grant it to West Seaxe.

It's going to take a while to do a full, normal game test of the Danes, so if anyone gets there before me they should post results. I'm trying to find a character to play as who's likely to last that long in normal play, it'll probably end up being a Saxon or a Frisian, sadly.