[MOD] Britannia 479 AD - The Winter King

[Mixxer5]

I've also got a few questions for you players... consider it a 'poll' to decide a few things.

1. Should the Franks be able (and willing, in case of AI) to invade Britain if/when they conquer and unite all Gaul? Or should they rather focus in keeping/developing their own lands (as they do now)?
2. Same question as above, but for Irish. After/when the High Kingdom of Ireland is created, should they look to invade Britain? I don't mean raid, I mean invade and occupy.
3. Regarding the possible extension of the map, what would you like to see first: more continental Europe or the full remaining northern part of Scotland? I planned a two-step expansion and I've got to decide what to do first. North or South?
4. Should Christians be able to wage Holy Wars against pagans? There is no religious CB in The Winter King right now. Do you think there should be one? I wouldn't call them 'Crusades' anyway...
5. What is your favorite/most played culture? I am planning several culture-based event chains (stuff only for Anglo-Saxon, only for Ireland, only for Romans, etc.) and again I need help to decide what to focus on first. If 90% of you are playing Anglo-Saxons and nobody ever plays Ireland, the decision comes easier.

Thanks!

L.

1. Historically they had plenty to do in the mainlands, so... Unless You could somehow simulate their (invisible) struggle for domination in Europe, they should. Otherwise, Britain was rather poor when compared to lands that were in Frankish sphere of interest.
2. I think that Irish should be able to do it- definitely. On the other hand they'll be unstoppable- maybe some events or decisions calling neighbours for help when attacker is Empire tier and defender isn't?
3.Gaul- I would prefer to see more of continent overall. Scottland (Kaledonia then) was in constant turmoil in these times and not rich or too populous. Romans had reasons not to push too much there (although some reasons were not dependent on their will). Mainland was much more interesting then.
4. Regular holy wars not- but some kind of religious frictions between different religious groups (granted by event- Missionary, extra position in council, would be set in pagan province trying to convert its rulers. He could be somehow offended and HW CB would be granted).
5. Romans- this tiny Roman count in the middle of Briton- Saxon sea (in Britain) or much simpler Soissons. I have a request in this case- when I've played as this count, for role-play purposes I've tried to keep my "pure" Roman culture. Sadly it didn't worked as my firstborn converted to Romano-British as soon as possible. Could You add a decision to block such spontaneous conversions to different cultures for closest family?

EDIT: One more thing - do You think that You could also incorporate "Better Armies - Complete Combat, Retinue, & Building Overhaul (CK2+ Submod)". Author has already stated that He's ok if someone wishes add His work to own mod and it looks really good

 

[hferguson]

A new version of The Winter King will be available in a couple of days. Below you can find a list of changes and features.

- Reworked and improved combat tactics (they now change daily, creating far more interesting battles)

L.

This is a good thing - one of the unexpected effects of your much condensed battles is a massive overpowering of all-archer armies (or any other skirmish heavy unit). They get the right tactic, and they get 350% increased attack strength for, essentially, the whole battle. There's one little country in the north with vassal mercenaries who are ALL archers (Archers of the Forest? Something like that). I would need to outnumber them like 5 to 1 to beat them, in contrast to any other battle which is pretty well balanced according to commander skills, terrain, etc.

 

[Luca0312]

5. Romans- this tiny Roman count in the middle of Briton- Saxon sea (in Britain) or much simpler Soissons. I have a request in this case- when I've played as this count, for role-play purposes I've tried to keep my "pure" Roman culture. Sadly it didn't worked as my firstborn converted to Romano-British as soon as possible. Could You add a decision to block such spontaneous conversions to different cultures for closest family?

As I wrote a few posts earlier, the new (or actually bug-free) cultural flexibility system will make things a lot easier for the Roman lord of Corinium. His mutual relationships with Britons and Romano-British will be much better. He'll still be very disliked by Saxons though, even more than before.

Regarding the cultural conversion of your sons... how do you think that happened? Did he have a romano-british tutor? Or did it just happen by assimilation with the land's culture?

 

[Luca0312]

This is a good thing - one of the unexpected effects of your much condensed battles is a massive overpowering of all-archer armies (or any other skirmish heavy unit). They get the right tactic, and they get 350% increased attack strength for, essentially, the whole battle. There's one little country in the north with vassal mercenaries who are ALL archers (Archers of the Forest? Something like that). I would need to outnumber them like 5 to 1 to beat them, in contrast to any other battle which is pretty well balanced according to commander skills, terrain, etc.

You're absolutely right, and as soon as I noticed that tactics were lasting in average 18 days, I had a sudden moment of panic/enthusiasm. I don't know how I failed to notice this before, but now it works quite well. The tactics do ALL last one day, and with the new precision guaranteed by the 'daily engine tick' (see my post in previous page) the system is fail-safe. This way even a 3 days-long battle can (and probably will) have proper skirmish, melee and pursue phases. Also the individual tactics have been customized and several of them are cultural-based.

I therefore suggest to all players: when you go into battle, if you want to understand what's going on (and maybe learn from it for your future battles), ALWAYS do so at the game's minimum (1x) speed. In Vanilla nearly nothing happens faster than on a 10-days basis, but in The Winter King (which also runs faster in general, making it worse) things do happen very quickly. So if you go into battle at 2x or 3x (or more), it will be over before you know it.

I like to play this game at 1x (except in those rare very quiet moments), so I'm designing the mod with this 'approach' in mind.

L.

 

[Mixxer5]

As I wrote a few posts earlier, the new (or actually bug-free) cultural flexibility system will make things a lot easier for the Roman lord of Corinium. His mutual relationships with Britons and Romano-British will be much better. He'll still be very disliked by Saxons though, even more than before.

Regarding the cultural conversion of your sons... how do you think that happened? Did he have a romano-british tutor? Or did it just happen by assimilation with the land's culture?

Nah, I suppose this was this small event that allows ruler to get same culture as his overlord (I was duke and I've had Romano- British ruler above me) or due to holding province of different culture. Because there is no reason not to become such Romano-British ruler, ai accepts it. And I'm getting angry Same thing happenned to some of my own "pure" Romans (vassals as well).

Btw- from some time I hadn't had any particular problem with "connected" cultures. Not so much revolts either.

 

[DC123456789]

I've also got a few questions for you players... consider it a 'poll' to decide a few things.

1. Should the Franks be able (and willing, in case of AI) to invade Britain if/when they conquer and unite all Gaul? Or should they rather focus in keeping/developing their own lands (as they do now)?
2. Same question as above, but for Irish. After/when the High Kingdom of Ireland is created, should they look to invade Britain? I don't mean raid, I mean invade and occupy.
3. Regarding the possible extension of the map, what would you like to see first: more continental Europe or the full remaining northern part of Scotland? I planned a two-step expansion and I've got to decide what to do first. North or South?
4. Should Christians be able to wage Holy Wars against pagans? There is no religious CB in The Winter King right now. Do you think there should be one? I wouldn't call them 'Crusades' anyway...
5. What is your favorite/most played culture? I am planning several culture-based event chains (stuff only for Anglo-Saxon, only for Ireland, only for Romans, etc.) and again I need help to decide what to focus on first. If 90% of you are playing Anglo-Saxons and nobody ever plays Ireland, the decision comes easier.

Thanks!

L.

1. AI Franks should focus on Gaul, and should invade Britannia only rarely. Although, for the human player, maybe allow them to use Anglo-Saxon duchies?
2. Maybe. They should probably focus on Scotland first.
3. Despite how much I would love to see an extended Gaul, I think completing Scotland would be better. I would also prefer to see the Low Countries over Aquitaine.
4. No. Too early, and everyone's got the conquest CB already anyway.
5. Usually Romans, sometimes Britons and Anglo-Saxons.

 

[Viden]

BTW, playing as Soissons, I go to war against the Franks at the beginning of the game and every single time, when I crushed their armies and started ocupying the target provinces, the Prefacture of Sequana declares independence and nullifies my war. There is nor revolt nor event that explains this. It just happens. Is that normal?

 

[Mixxer5]

BTW, playing as Soissons, I go to war against the Franks at the beginning of the game and every single time, when I crushed their armies and started ocupying the target provinces, the Prefacture of Sequana declares independence and nullifies my war. There is nor revolt nor event that explains this. It just happens. Is that normal?

I've never had such an issue, although I've played as Soissons plenty of times. Some other weird events?

 

[Hiyo]

I finally went about conquering Ireland and found that you are left to develop the entire nation with nothing external to worry about. Besides a (very) slow attempt to Christianize the island, I've gotten to the point where I rake in massive piles of gold.

This worries me, with regards to invasions by the Irish. While historical, there will need to be some serious opposition to slow/stop them.

 

[TheWolfe]

I would definitely prefer to see an expanded Gaul more than the completion of Ireland.

 

[TheWolfe]

And yes the date was 805 sorry for the confusion.

 

[Roald]

1. Franks should tend to focus on their continental territory.
2. I think there could maybe be something done with the tiny Gaelic titular kingdoms and maybe have a couple of more invasion attempts by various Irish lords to set up their own rule in the general area of Wales, but Ireland as a unified title sounds like it could begin blobbing up extremely fast.
3. I'd also prefer more expansion into the vicinity of the Netherlands, but to stick within the options pushing south would be nice.
4. Nope.
5. I'd really like for there to be more fleshing out with the Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Thuringians or Frisians, but I guess the ones of those that would be worked on would have to depend on where the map expands towards. As it is, they tend towards being a bit... sparse, but I would love to be able to switch over to them when they show up. Whichever ones you go with, your flexible duchy system is amazing and I would love to see more of those added for different cultures, or extended perhaps to other conquests for the existing ones (saxon ones for the Wales blob or Cornwall, for example).

 

[Mattobro]

but I would love to be able to switch over to them when they show up.

You can. Type observe in console by hitting the ~ tilde key, wait till they appear, save. exit, reload the save and choose the visigothic kingdom (Well you do have to wait until they conquer a county, but it still works)

 

[Andrzej I]

I've also got a few questions for you players... consider it a 'poll' to decide a few things.

1. Should the Franks be able (and willing, in case of AI) to invade Britain if/when they conquer and unite all Gaul? Or should they rather focus in keeping/developing their own lands (as they do now)?
2. Same question as above, but for Irish. After/when the High Kingdom of Ireland is created, should they look to invade Britain? I don't mean raid, I mean invade and occupy.
3. Regarding the possible extension of the map, what would you like to see first: more continental Europe or the full remaining northern part of Scotland? I planned a two-step expansion and I've got to decide what to do first. North or South?
4. Should Christians be able to wage Holy Wars against pagans? There is no religious CB in The Winter King right now. Do you think there should be one? I wouldn't call them 'Crusades' anyway...
5. What is your favorite/most played culture? I am planning several culture-based event chains (stuff only for Anglo-Saxon, only for Ireland, only for Romans, etc.) and again I need help to decide what to focus on first. If 90% of you are playing Anglo-Saxons and nobody ever plays Ireland, the decision comes easier.

Thanks!

L.

1. They should focus upon their own lands, I think.
2. They should be willing to go for Scotland and Wales, but little else.
3. More continental Europe, which gives the Franks more to conquer.
4. No, Christianity was a bit more pacifistic back then.
5. The Romans or the Franks.

 

[Hiyo]

I would definitely prefer to see an expanded Gaul more than the completion of Ireland.

Ireland seems mostly done. Do you mean the Pictish lands to the north? (Scotland)

 

[Luca0312]

Thanks for all the feedback guys, so far it looks like the most 'favorite' options seem to be: Franks focusing on Europe, Ireland willing to invade (northern Britain/Scotland first) and no Holy Wars for Christians. About the map, most of the votes are for Gaul and although I agree with who wrote "This mod is about Britannia, we need Scotland", it's also true that continental Europe offers more interesting 'content' and it is also a lot easier (and probably quicker) to create. The coastlines, lochs and mountains of Scotland are not the easiest mapping quest. So unless a bunch of votes for Scotland pop up in the next couple of days I think we have our decision.

The next version of the mod is basically ready for release, I've been spending the past few hours trying to fix an annoying bug that somehow started appearing once in a while: AI rulers do not end wars, even with 100% warscore. In a case, the war lasted for 50 years at 100% and still no peace.

Did you ever had any similar issue before? Does any of you have an idea about the possible cause?

Thanks!

L.

 

[Luca0312]

I finally went about conquering Ireland and found that you are left to develop the entire nation with nothing external to worry about. Besides a (very) slow attempt to Christianize the island, I've gotten to the point where I rake in massive piles of gold.

This worries me, with regards to invasions by the Irish. While historical, there will need to be some serious opposition to slow/stop them.

Hopefully late-game economy will be more balanced in the next version. Being at peace for 100 years will definitely help fill your treasury, but the very high incomes that were possible with top-level buildings have been rebalanced and reduced. Also, high level military buildings will cost more (not to build, but to maintain, as a deduction from taxes) so if you want to have a large and solid army you'll have to spend some of that tax gold.

 

[apple1232]

Hi, I like the mod by just looking at it.
But I'm having a hard time getting it down from mediafire. It seems always corrupted or disconnected halfway.
Could you please make a dropbox or some sort of mirror?

 

[Luca0312]

Hi, I like the mod by just looking at it.
But I'm having a hard time getting it down from mediafire. It seems always corrupted or disconnected halfway.
Could you please make a dropbox or some sort of mirror?

The new version will up on Mediafire in a few hours. I will try to upload it somewhere else as well, and will post all download links here.

Stay tuned,

L.

 

[apple1232]

The new version will up on Mediafire in a few hours. I will try to upload it somewhere else as well, and will post all download links here.

Stay tuned,

L.

Thank you, in advance!