{ MOD } Birthright / D&D *Take II*

[das]

I'm not sure if there is much of a point to bloodtheft right now. Is there some way to raise your bloodline's status (say from minor to major) if your bloodline characteristic is high enough? Because I couldn't find any so far.

EDIT: Also, I have to ask: is it normal for AI Gorgon to be a miserable failure? Because I'm yet to see him do well after the first decade or so in my games. He seems to waste his strength on fighting elves and dwarves, and then get ground down by opportunistic human neighbours.

 

[unmerged(505313)]

I'm not sure if there is much of a point to bloodtheft right now. Is there some way to raise your bloodline's status (say from minor to major) if your bloodline characteristic is high enough? Because I couldn't find any so far.

Heh, I remember thinking this back when I first read the Birthright tabletop rules as a teenager.

It's nice to see someone working on a project like this even if it isn't finished; just still being alive and worked on is encouraging.

 

[JonStryker]

If we add a system so that blood strength deteriorates according to the blood score (learning) bloodthefting will matter. Then only an event is needed that gives out more traits once a higher blood strength is reached.
Blood Royal said he plans to have a special kind of quest necessary for the highest ranks in blood score. What do you need to do in the tabletop game to get from minor to major bloodline anyways?

 

[pulawski]

I set the thingy on the religion files which makes how often people from their own religious group convert others within the same group. It all works according to the AI's religious zeal.

An AI With 100 zeal did not use the court chaplain (He was Lamia faith, and the province he owned was avani) This was even with my own meddling, changing the ai_convert_other_group from 1 to 2

 

[LDRevolution]

An AI With 100 zeal did not use the court chaplain (He was Lamia faith, and the province he owned was avani) This was even with my own meddling, changing the ai_convert_other_group from 1 to 2

I've added the ai_religious_conversion to every religion now, hopefully they will start converting.

 

[pulawski]

Can you PM me the new file so i can get playing right away =)? No idea when theew version will come out after all

 

[LDRevolution]

Can you PM me the new file so i can get playing right away =)? No idea when theew version will come out after all

No can't do, my religion file is VERY different from yours, If I'd send it to you I would need to send you everything related to it. Just hang in there and bear with us.

 

[pulawski]

I suppose i shall paitently wait

EDIT: Also, I have to ask: is it normal for AI Gorgon to be a miserable failure? Because I'm yet to see him do well after the first decade or so in my games. He seems to waste his strength on fighting elves and dwarves, and then get ground down by opportunistic human neighbours.

Also i will echo this, he gets -trashed- in every game i am in. Literally, trashed. I've never seen him expand very much

 

[JonStryker]

I've added the ai_religious_conversion to every religion now, hopefully they will start converting.

You did that? Huh, that is a very extreme measure. I hope we don't get insane conversion rates as in vanilla. Different religions of the same group should be allowed to co-exist. Only different religious group should be targeted actively.

 

[pulawski]

Different religions of the same group should be allowed to co-exist. Only different religious group should be targeted actively.

I would say that depend on the religion group. I am quite sure the awhne... thing religiious group wouldn't want to coexist with the others. Likewise, evil gods probably wouldn't like people worshipping other evil gods?

 

[LDRevolution]

You did that? Huh, that is a very extreme measure. I hope we don't get insane conversion rates as in vanilla. Different religions of the same group should be allowed to co-exist. Only different religious group should be targeted actively.

AI will always try to convert characters from other religious groups, they will convert characters from the same group if AI zeal high.

I suppose i shall paitently wait

Also i will echo this, he gets -trashed- in every game i am in. Literally, trashed. I've never seen him expand very much

Thanks for understanding!

Yeah I've also noted that he gets whooped by Fhileraene of Tuarhievel in my playtests, I will do something about it.

 

[pulawski]

AI will always try to convert characters from other religious groups, they will convert characters from the same group if AI zeal high.

And provinces?

 

[LDRevolution]

And provinces?

Conversion rates for provinces are vanilla, not sure how to tinker with it.

 

[pulawski]

Okay So if you fix the fact that they aren't even trying to convert the provinces, atleast i will be happy and i can watch a pretty map

 

[das]

Hmm. Maybe you could have something like the Elder Kings system where you can use decrees to change crown laws as an immortal/long-lived character, for a relationship penalty and between cooldowns? As is you can only do it once, unless I'm missing something.

 

[LDRevolution]

Hmm. Maybe you could have something like the Elder Kings system where you can use decrees to change crown laws as an immortal/long-lived character, for a relationship penalty and between cooldowns? As is you can only do it once, unless I'm missing something.

Can't promise anything, but I'll see what I can do about adding some edicts for the immortal characters.

 

[Tamman]

Hey Jon,
I uploaded the provinceDef.xls to the assembly with the Rjurik highlands changes. I was in a minor auto accident Sunday so its taken me a bit to get back to things.

WoL has landed so I can't load up the mod to do an uncompressed save until a new compatable version is ready. I'll check afterword to see if the save bloat is still happening and then see whats filling it up.

 

[das]

While I'm really enjoying this so far, the awnsheghlien, while very powerful in a player's hands, seem to flounder more or less completely when controlled by an AI. Especially the Gorgon and the Swordhawk. The only ones that seem to do well more or less reliably are the White Witch and the Serpent. I suppose the Succubus does well in terms of things that matter to her (by the way I've seen her marry the Brute in two games so far. Targaryen jokes aside I guess that actually makes good sense if she wants someone who won't die right away). The Magian generally holds on to some land but little else. The Spider almost always loses everything and gets chased out near the start of the game.

Maybe they need more event troops? While some of them get those already, I suspect others might benefit from it too. Would be even better if you could make some AI-only event troops, but I don't know if that's possible. Speaking more generally, while I don't usually like AIs getting unfair bonuses that players don't, in this case it seems like it might make good sense so long as it is limited to the awnsheghlien. It doesn't feel right that the huge human empires are the undisputed heavyweights, while the inhuman abominations tend to get curbstomped before those even arise.

In the meantime I'm thinking of playing as the Gorgon, building an unstoppable empire, and then switching to someone else trying to stop him.

 

[pulawski]

how goes the updating to include the new DLC ?

 

[Blood Royal]

how goes the updating to include the new DLC ?

It'll be a while, unfortunately

I'm on vacation at the moment and not really modding, and the new patch broke pretty much all my custom events because now localisation is required, where before it wasn't...

So it'll be quite a large task to update to this new scripting reality.