[MOD] Arkopack Armoiries & Interface

[Federalist girl]

Hi Arko: I've integrated the dynasties4 DLC into your 2.2 version of the mod. I've uploaded dynasties.txt and coats_of_arms.txt if you want to implement it in your next update -- since I've done the legwork with it, it should be possible to keep it updated from now on to be compatible with dynasties4, yes?

I have not replaced any Arko CoA with dynasties4 CoA where both modify the same dynasty, and I have not corrected any dynasties4 CoA to use correct religious frames b/c the same would have to be done with all the other CoA as well and they should be put in the correct order in coats_of_arms, so I left it be for now. So everyone will use Christian frames, just like vanilla.

View attachment dynasties4 Arko.rar

edit: for some reason when you click on it, it wants to save as "attachments.php" -- just rename it to "anything.rar"

 

[alfian]

Hello Mr. Arko do you have any idea how to make it?

 

[alfian]

Oh finally someone know my issue. Yeah my problem is, I don't know how to setting RGB code. My knowledge about photoshop very poor, would you tell me step to step? but you don't have to, if you don't want.

 

[Autokrator48]

Is there a way to have the shields and emblems without renaming the names to local culture? Especially dynasty names : I just hate seeing ''de Foix'' for instance being spelled ''de Fois''.

 

[Arko]

A good idea for this might be a dynamic CoA for the HRE. Didn't some different emperors adopt different CoA for the empire? Or am I thinking of something else entirely? I know for a fact that Byzantium did at some points.

I am not sure HRE really changed this over time. But something can be done in regard to before heraldic era f.e.
I'd need more info about byzantium.

Another example could be that the shield of the Kingdom of Aragon changed to shield of dynasty "de Barcelona", if this dynasty ruled the kingdom.

to

Good catch

Some quartered arms for claims (like England claiming France CoA) can also be an idea. For historical examples and why not something more dynamic.

Hi Arko: I've integrated the dynasties4 DLC into your 2.2 version of the mod. I've uploaded dynasties.txt and coats_of_arms.txt if you want to implement it in your next update -- since I've done the legwork with it, it should be possible to keep it updated from now on to be compatible with dynasties4, yes?

I have not replaced any Arko CoA with dynasties4 CoA where both modify the same dynasty, and I have not corrected any dynasties4 CoA to use correct religious frames b/c the same would have to be done with all the other CoA as well and they should be put in the correct order in coats_of_arms, so I left it be for now. So everyone will use Christian frames, just like vanilla.

View attachment 117407

edit: for some reason when you click on it, it wants to save as "attachments.php" -- just rename it to "anything.rar"

It is great for people who want it but i don't think i'll include it sorry.
One of the other reasons behind my choice also is : more textures (each coa dlc is one) weighten performances, at launch at least and i suspect it also effects ingame perfs. And i have already some plans for additional textures a lot more useful, especialy outside the era SWMH doesn't plan to cover.

Is there a way to have the shields and emblems without renaming the names to local culture? Especially dynasty names : I just hate seeing ''de Foix'' for instance being spelled ''de Fois''.

Despite modding it yourself, no.

 

[Vratislav]

CoA for the Welsh House of Aberffraw

 

[Federalist girl]

It is great for people who want it but i don't think i'll include it sorry.
One of the other reasons behind my choice also is : more textures (each coa dlc is one) weighten performances, at launch at least and i suspect it also effects ingame perfs. And i have already some plans for additional textures a lot more useful, especialy outside the era SWMH doesn't plan to cover.

Well... I don't like locking out vanilla purchased content, although your point about SWMH not including the 769 date does certainly reduce the value of 769 COA.

However, I note that the COA:CM DLC actually does include COA for several dynasties that are present in 867 and later bookmarks.

Examples: Greek dynasties present in 1066 and even post-1204 bookmarks (Kantakouzenos, Botaneiates, Diogenes, etc.), Welsh/Cornish dynasties present throughout (Morganwwg, Cerneu (this one has a rather Arthurian CoA)), Muslim and Mongol dynasties, etc.

So there is actually some full-game value to those CoA. But if you're still not convinced, do you think you could make your own CoA for those 867 and later dynasties so that they aren't just random?

 

[isa0005]

I think I mentioned this a while ago but combining your CoA mod with Patrum Scuta would make one heck of an awesome CoA mod, would at least add three time the variety in terms of CoA's. I'm not sure what your policy is in using other peoples work but heck its an idea.

I did it my self a while back but something has stuffed up and now all the frames on the country flags are missing, some flags are even black and some of the CoA's are invisible or just a single colour... not sure whats going on but hey! Keep up the great work!

 

[Jokolytic]

I think the ERE's CoA is more historical as a gold Chi Rho over a red banner?

 

[Vratislav]

I think the ERE's CoA is more historical as a gold Chi Rho over a red banner?

In the timeframe of CK2 the official seal of the Emperor of the ERE would have been a tetragrammic cross or the Imperial Eagle of the double-headed variety. The Chi Rho wasn't in use.

 

[isa0005]

Incorrect. The double headed eagle wasn't in use or recognized as national symbol till the Palaiologan dynasty came to power. While the game does cover the Dynasty, I don't think it is enough to warrant making the Byzantine symbol said tetragrammic cross/ double headed eagle. I tend to agree that the Chi Rho is the best option however it should be over a Tyrian purple banner in my view. This being said we can't really say what countries had what flags, the concept of national flags was nonexistent during the medieval period and most medieval flags we know of are attributed to people, specific dynasties or cultural symbols...

 

[Jokolytic]

Incorrect. The double headed eagle wasn't in use or recognized as national symbol till the Palaiologan dynasty came to power. While the game does cover the Dynasty, I don't think it is enough to warrant making the Byzantine symbol said tetragrammic cross/ double headed eagle. I tend to agree that the Chi Rho is the best option however it should be over a Tyrian purple banner in my view. This being said we can't really say what countries had what flags, the concept of national flags was nonexistent during the medieval period and most medieval flags we know of are attributed to people, specific dynasties or cultural symbols...

Many nations did have equivalences of true flags. The English Lion or French Fleur, for example.

Anyway, the Chi Rho is undoubtedly the true mark of the ERE and symbolizes the legacy of St. Constantine the Great.

 

[isa0005]

The Norman rampart leopard and the Frankish fleur-de-lys were all symbols attributed to to individuals, typically they were either battle standards, seals or royal arms. The concept of the national flag originates from the 17th century and was used to signal the nationality of naval vessels. In terms of battle standards and the like as of the 12th century flags as the ones you mentioned were used to identify individuals on the battle field, whilst also used to communicate during combat, this being said in being identifying symbols of monarchs it could be said that they are national flags or symbols, however they were not necessarily considered as such. The thing to remember about feudalism is the concept of 'king/queen and country,' the king/queen is the country, or rather the kingdom/queendom and all that is in it belongs to him/her. Although there are people like dukes and duchesses, counts and countesses, each with their own 'heraldry' they were used more so to identify the individual rather then the land they lived on... also they were all subjects of the king and thus his property.

This is also why I firmly believe that the images used by the various kingdoms and empires in this game should actually relate to the dynasty symbol, in other words if say the de Normandy or Plantagenets are no longer kings/queens of England and say for example the Capets are then the symbol of England should be the symbol of the Capet family/Capet King. I also believe that individuals should have their own heraldry and their children would have their own as well and only with special permission could they adopt their parents heraldry or modify it.

 

[Arko]

In the timeframe of CK2 the official seal of the Emperor of the ERE would have been a tetragrammic cross or the Imperial Eagle of the double-headed variety. The Chi Rho wasn't in use.

what is exactly a tetragrammic cross ?

This is also why I firmly believe that the images used by the various kingdoms and empires in this game should actually relate to the dynasty symbol, in other words if say the de Normandy or Plantagenets are no longer kings/queens of England and say for example the Capets are then the symbol of England should be the symbol of the Capet family/Capet King. I also believe that individuals should have their own heraldry and their children would have their own as well and only with special permission could they adopt their parents heraldry or modify it.

one idea would be to use dynastic armss for everyone as CoA as muslims do ingame.

there are two obstacles to this though :
-one technical, that is a mask problem when using random coa on christian 3d shields (black border inside the coa as you can see it on civil wars' coa)
-angry paradoxian crowd (not that it is exactly something i care a lot)

That would induce to improve a lot random patterns (that is something planned) and adding a lot more historical dynastic CoA (a bit longer and harder work but that could be based on good random patterns).


Individual arms inside a dynasty is just quite impossible to achieve. But splitting some cadet branch dynasties just for CoA purpose is something that i'd want to play around a bit with SWMH mod, but doing it dynamically is still out of reachness.

 

[isa0005]

what is exactly a tetragrammic cross ?


one idea would be to use dynastic armss for everyone as CoA as muslims do ingame.

there are two obstacles to this though :
-one technical, that is a mask problem when using random coa on christian 3d shields (black border inside the coa as you can see it on civil wars' coa)
-angry paradoxian crowd (not that it is exactly something i care a lot)

That would induce to improve a lot random patterns (that is something planned) and adding a lot more historical dynastic CoA (a bit longer and harder work but that could be based on good random patterns).


Individual arms inside a dynasty is just quite impossible to achieve. But splitting some cadet branch dynasties just for CoA purpose is something that i'd want to play around a bit with SWMH mod, but doing it dynamically is still out of reachness.

Sounds like a great idea

Best of luck! Seriously though if you want to add some good and even historically accurate random CoAs and you if can't be bothered creating them yourself, Patrum Scuta is the way to go I rekon. There are a few issues with the files i.e. there are some triple colored arms in the double colored arms files which make's the file nonfunctional but, this could be remedied easily I assume. I would do it my self by my laptop is just shocking, can't even run CKII let alone any kind of image editing software. This being said idk if the person who made Patrum Scuta is still around these days so idk if you'd be able to get permission. In total I think there is around 300-400 random HD CoA's ... I think, could be off by a hundred or so give or take.

Anyway, as usual keep up the good work Arko and yeah screw the paradoxian crowd! hahaha

 

[Arko]

Sounds like a great idea

Best of luck! Seriously though if you want to add some good and even historically accurate random CoAs and you if can't be bothered creating them yourself, Patrum Scuta is the way to go I rekon. There are a few issues with the files i.e. there are some triple colored arms in the double colored arms files which make's the file nonfunctional but, this could be remedied easily I assume. I would do it my self by my laptop is just shocking, can't even run CKII let alone any kind of image editing software. This being said idk if the person who made Patrum Scuta is still around these days so idk if you'd be able to get permission. In total I think there is around 300-400 random HD CoA's ... I think, could be off by a hundred or so give or take.

well, PS has its own art-style that does differ quite from from my own stuff (but admitidly more vanilla-esque).
I do not want to ask to the author and i do not expect any authorisation anyway.

so, i'll keep my quite standalone approach of the mod, even if it induces a quite slow dev pace sorry.

Anyway, as usual keep up the good work Arko and yeah screw the paradoxian crowd! hahaha

Mind that if i had found the solution to the technical issue the angry crowd issue would already be a reality for a while

 

[Federalist girl]

what is exactly a tetragrammic cross ?

The tetragrammatic cross is the vanilla COA for the ERE -- the cross with the four Bs.

 

[zijistark]

All of this talk of CoA historicity, and all I really want is the coolest-looking flags possible for my own titles/dynasties.

 

[isa0005]

All of this talk of CoA historicity, and all I really want is the coolest-looking flags possible for my own titles/dynasties.

Which is why PS should be included hahahaha I kid, I kid

well, PS has its own art-style that does differ quite from from my own stuff (but admitidly more vanilla-esque).
I do not want to ask to the author and i do not expect any authorisation anyway.

so, i'll keep my quite standalone approach of the mod, even if it induces a quite slow dev pace sorry.

Fair enough! I love what you're doing either way, just more variability in the random/custom CoA's would be great

 

[DasBananenbrot]

Is the inability to use more than the plain format in the CoA editor fixable or do I have to live with that when using ARKOpack . Btw I'll complain that here since zijistark sent me here haha

Yeah, it is. It's ARKOpack Armoiries (CoA) that's doing that. Complain to Arko here:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?603251-MOD-ARKOpack-Armoiries-amp-Interface