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It wasn't funny when it started it isn't funny now.

I'm not even sure about the start.

For a modern joke-y reference cult, what would be the most prevalent massive sign?

MacDonalds wouldn't work, as they're pretty flimsy and wouldn't likely last. But plenty of places put their names in massive concrete blocks outside their offices, or on solid, heavy signs and etc. Or, maybe a SUPER common but still interesting traffic sign. If anyone is familiar with the book Wings by Terry Pratchett, how they came to worship NASA or even, Arnold Bros Est. 1905 are examples of how this'd work.

if enough of those it could be a 'this was the god of the old times, we can tell they worshipped him because they put his name on all the land. Their worship of him destroyed the world, so we devote ourselves to collecting and covering up the signs/keeping the memory alive/holding the spirit back/etc so he never enters the world and brings down the death again.
Or some other story that'd work with any given sign.
 
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I'm not even sure about the start.

For a modern joke-y reference cult, what would be the most prevalent massive sign?

MacDonalds wouldn't work, as they're pretty flimsy and wouldn't likely last. But plenty of places put their names in massive concrete blocks outside their offices, or on solid, heavy signs and etc. Or, maybe a SUPER common but still interesting traffic sign. If anyone is familiar with the book Wings by Terry Pratchett, how they came to worship NASA or even, Arnold Bros Est. 1905 are examples of how this'd work.

if enough of those it could be a 'this was the god of the old times, we can tell they worshipped him because they put his name on all the land. Their worship of him destroyed the world, so we devote ourselves to collecting and covering up the signs/keeping the memory alive/holding the spirit back/etc so he never enters the world and brings down the death again.
Or some other story that'd work with any given sign.
What about those really creepy Ronald statues, they use to have em in restaurants, some even had the whole gang.
 

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Well, the "holy" provinces for a McDonald's-based would include the one directly southwest of Chicago (current headquarters are in Oak Brook, IL) and whatever province San Bernadino, CA will be in (the original McDonald's stand was there). To go broader, I suppose you could include the other fast food franchises (Burger King, Wendy's, KFC, etc.) and all of the "local gods" (In n Out, Steak & Shake, Whattaburger).
 

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Well, the "holy" provinces for a McDonald's-based would include the one directly southwest of Chicago (current headquarters are in Oak Brook, IL) and whatever province San Bernadino, CA will be in (the original McDonald's stand was there). To go broader, I suppose you could include the other fast food franchises (Burger King, Wendy's, KFC, etc.) and all of the "local gods" (In n Out, Steak & Shake, Whattaburger).

Surely the 'holy' places for a McDonalds religion, would have nothing to do with where it's important, but where the best preserved sites are, where the cult developed, the important sites in the history of the development of that religion and etc.
Not the original shop or the headquarters, but the original location of the cult and the headquarters of the cult.

Though, while macdonalds has a good, simple logo which would be found in lots of places I'm not sure it actually works an idea, it was just an example.
 

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When it comes to pop-culture and relic-cults, I personally are fine with having some, but they can often be more original then they get used. So often a work will simply say "Oh, they worship [modern device/culture feature], how drool!" and call it a day. Give it some depth, maybe.

For example, severl people have wanted a Hollywood Cult. Ok. But how about instead of "They built all these shrines to the Celebs, they must have been gods!" it's "They built all these shrines to the Celebs, they must have been gods, who destroyed them anyway!". Fear and honour the Celebs, the capricious, empathy-less being who lead so many to their worship, then casually destroyed them in their temples and holy halls, for no particularly good reason! Appease them, and they may delay a shift in opinion!


Gah. I am exhausted. Hope the general idea came across, at least.
 

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I think an issue with having pop-culture related religions is that (besides Ofaloaf mentioning somewhere that there won't/shouldn't be many references of things that are post-WWII) pop-culture is rather ephemeral. People or things that were popular even fifty years ago are barely remembered now, let alone what six-hundred fifty two years would do. The only way we'd remember someone or something famous is if they produced or did something world-changing. It's why the only popular actor from the 1860s most Americans can name would be John Wilkes Booth, and it wasn't his acting that most people remember him for.

The only pop-culture things that would, theoretically, stand the test of time would be stories in the written word or by oral tradition. It's why an H.P. Lovecraft inspired religion works in this setting: through the lens of over six-hundred years, a dark age that lasts about three hundred of that with no real ability to fact-check, and a healthy dose of ignorance, the stories of Hastur, Cthulu, Shub-Niggurath, and the lot would seem just as reasonable a thing to follow as the Bible would. I mean, have you heard the descriptions of angels from the Old Testament?! Rings made out of eyes that are on fire, faces with seven wings attached to them, etc. Even Americanism makes sense, in a light, as we already have tall tales about Washington (chopping down the cherry tree) and Lincoln (Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter anyone?), which, 600 years later, could mirror the foundation myth of Rome with Romulus and Remus.

Assuming that any are even left standing during the 2660s (which the mod assumes there aren't), people might just assume that any chain restaurant store building might have just been a sort of communal meeting place, which those symbols denoted, or simply don't care because they're just trying to survive and farm potatoes. Though, through some events already in-game, basic knowledge of the old "American" language is at least something the nobility possess (much like Latin would have been in Middle Ages Europe), so such places would be fairly understood by them.

Sorry for the wall of text! I just had a lot to say, I guess, haha.
 

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And if you run into gimmick, then it's hard to stop everything from ending in madness.

And John Wilkes Booth is just a good name, plent of assassins no one can remember, but a good name, and a good story with the opera box. That sticks.

As for the ruins, it's worth remembering that archaeology also wasn't really a thing. All those mesoptoamian pyramids, were hills just a century ago with names like 'Hill with a ruin under it', and no one cared, those ruins which were visible were stripped for building materials and promptly forgotten. The ones that survived and were important, were important for having been re-purposed, as mosques or tombs rather than for being ruins in themselves.
So even having alot of ruins isn't a reason to be important on it's own.
 

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Why does this mod run so much faster than vanilla? The only other mod I know that moves this quickly is Sonnendar.

Is it because of less bloat in the history files?

Less provinces mostly, once it's as big as CK2, it'll probably match speed currently it's as if only western europe was in the game.
 

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And if you run into gimmick, then it's hard to stop everything from ending in madness.

And John Wilkes Booth is just a good name, plent of assassins no one can remember, but a good name, and a good story with the opera box. That sticks.

As for the ruins, it's worth remembering that archaeology also wasn't really a thing. All those mesoptoamian pyramids, were hills just a century ago with names like 'Hill with a ruin under it', and no one cared, those ruins which were visible were stripped for building materials and promptly forgotten. The ones that survived and were important, were important for having been re-purposed, as mosques or tombs rather than for being ruins in themselves.
So even having alot of ruins isn't a reason to be important on it's own.

That, and he did kill one of the most famous/well-liked American presidents in history. That's going to stick in people's minds, though having the story with it does help perpetuate things.

But yes, I agree with your third paragraph completely. I mean, I'm sure some people (like, a small minority) would be interested in what they could have been for, but most people wouldn't care. We already have in-game events where you can find technologies of old, but it barely goes much further than basic "I found something neat. Now back to invading my neighbors because they worship Christianity a slightly different way than me".
 
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Peoples views of the past would be a bit different then the previous dark ages because there's simply so much more evidence around. Pre-collapse materials would probably be hundreds of times more abundant and there would be materials like plastic and aluminium that would be ubiquitous but impossible to make anymore. Almost everyone has been literate in the US for the post-WWII period. Books are everywhere and they depict the common lives of Americans in far more detail then previous eras did.

Dark age and early medieval story-tellers didn't really understand Roman culture and projected their own lives into it. In contrast these American people wouldn't have an accurate view of their ancestors but will understand there are some big differences. It would seem like a golden age to them, people living in shacks and living hand to mouth knowing that once everyone lived in a palace like a lord and everyone had time to waste instead of farming. They could revere any petty aspect of previous American culture in those conditions, sort of like a cargo cult about the past.
 

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So fellas what the deal with ^ ? Are they going to make it in or is there an issue with them? I want to see Riverlanders in fur hats :happy: It's been over a week since I posted the .dds and I haven't heard much.
Sorry about that. We've (well, notalbanian) gotten them implemented!

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I think the mail coif and kepi go well together.

Although I do have to say, the fur hats are a trifle more detailed than the faintly-brushed-over look most of the vanilla headgear and the kepi, etc., so they tend to stick out a bit.
 
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I think an issue with having pop-culture related religions is that (besides Ofaloaf mentioning somewhere that there won't/shouldn't be many references of things that are post-WWII) pop-culture is rather ephemeral. People or things that were popular even fifty years ago are barely remembered now, let alone what six-hundred fifty two years would do. The only way we'd remember someone or something famous is if they produced or did something world-changing. It's why the only popular actor from the 1860s most Americans can name would be John Wilkes Booth, and it wasn't his acting that most people remember him for.

The only pop-culture things that would, theoretically, stand the test of time would be stories in the written word or by oral tradition. It's why an H.P. Lovecraft inspired religion works in this setting: through the lens of over six-hundred years, a dark age that lasts about three hundred of that with no real ability to fact-check, and a healthy dose of ignorance, the stories of Hastur, Cthulu, Shub-Niggurath, and the lot would seem just as reasonable a thing to follow as the Bible would. I mean, have you heard the descriptions of angels from the Old Testament?! Rings made out of eyes that are on fire, faces with seven wings attached to them, etc. Even Americanism makes sense, in a light, as we already have tall tales about Washington (chopping down the cherry tree) and Lincoln (Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter anyone?), which, 600 years later, could mirror the foundation myth of Rome with Romulus and Remus.

Assuming that any are even left standing during the 2660s (which the mod assumes there aren't), people might just assume that any chain restaurant store building might have just been a sort of communal meeting place, which those symbols denoted, or simply don't care because they're just trying to survive and farm potatoes. Though, through some events already in-game, basic knowledge of the old "American" language is at least something the nobility possess (much like Latin would have been in Middle Ages Europe), so such places would be fairly understood by them.

Sorry for the wall of text! I just had a lot to say, I guess, haha.

I agree. If we limit ourselves to pre-WWII pop culture of American origins, the stuff that would be remembered is stuff from that period we remember now - the American tall tales, Wizard of Oz, Superman, Mickey Mouse, Batman, Captain America, Moby Dick, Wonder Woman, the Cthulhu Mythos, the works of Washington Irving, the works of Mark Twain, and the works of James Fennimore Cooper.

Even if we extend the pop culture references to yesterday, the ones that would survive 600 years without mass media would still be limited to the above plus Spider-Man, the X-Men (although the individual members would have blurred), the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the Simpsons, Looney Tunes, Star Wars, Star Trek, the cast of Peanuts, Ronald McDonald, Elvis, Bigfoot, Michael Jackson, and maybe the Hasbro properties from the Eighties (specifically Transformers, GI Joe, and My Little Pony). Possibly the Dukes of Hazard would survive as well, but only in the South.

And with the exception of Cthulhu and possibly Superman, none of them would have been deified. In fact, based on what actually happened in the real Middle Ages, the opposite would occur, and educated people would assume Davy Crockett, Elvis, and Michael Jackson were as fictional as Batman (people assuming ALL ancient ruins were built as temples and that the figures depicted therein were figures of worship was ironically more common in the 19th Century than the 12th). If any of these figures are deified, it would be by the Americanists, whose whole shtick is mythologizing Americana (which is probably why the Tribe of the Mouse was shifted to Americanism from Atomicism).
 

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I'm from PA and there has to be some reference of the "Steeler Nation" around that area.

With all due respect to the Black & Gold, if any football nation is making it in, one would have to imagine the Raider Nation in Oakland gets top priority. The Oakland raider fans look like a post-apoc tribe NOW, nevermind 600 years from now:
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I mean just the name on the map would be phenomenal: A 6 or 7 county territory in North California simply denoted as RAIDER NATION.
 

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With all due respect to the Black & Gold, if any football nation is making it in, one would have to imagine the Raider Nation in Oakland gets top priority. The Oakland raider fans look like a post-apoc tribe NOW, nevermind 600 years from now:

I mean just the name on the map would be phenomenal: A 6 or 7 county territory in North California simply denoted as RAIDER NATION.

Titular of course. I could easily see a raider fan descend into barbarism if the raiders stop playing......steelers not so much. At the very least a large merc group.
 

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Oakland Raiders franchise was awarded in 1960, so I'm afraid Raiders Nation is out due to the "no post-WWII references" rule.
 
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