Yeah, I think it'd be pretty hard to scrub out all the Viking related stuff in the Twin Cities haha
[MOD] After the End - A post-apocalyptic America mod
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Yeah, I think it'd be pretty hard to scrub out all the Viking related stuff in the Twin Cities haha
Playing 2.2.1 / 0.3, I get a consistent crash on 19 August 2713. Annoying, because otherwise this is one of my favourite mods.
You ought to provide a link to your savegame, so the mod devs can track down what's causing the crash.
apparently green bay is worse. so much yellow and green, and you'd think the world is made of cheese.
I only get random crashes myself but I just reload and it is fine for a while before the next crash. Don't really know what causes it so I can't offer any feedback yet. =(
If you find your self having major problems, try doing a "clean install" ie deleting all the ATE folders out of your mod folder and extracting them again. Because we change data quite a bit, overwriting old data with new data can lead to conflicts. Do a clean install and tell us if you're still having problems.
I've noticed a couple of immersion problems. The demographic spread isn't proportionate to reality. Looking at social sciences and human history, we know that even people of the same culture, but separate racial background are not going to work together. Especially in a time so dark age esque, brutal, tribal and so forth. I live in Quebec and I can tell you outside of Montreal there is very few people who are not French Canadian. The province itself is 88% French Canadian and almost entirely homogenous. The only area with people of other cultures is the island of Montreal, and the aboriginal reserves just South of the island. Canada in general has significantly less African American people who reside in it. Make Vodun their religion, or a newurban culture themed religion where Lil B (Who refers to himself as, and is referred to as Based God) is their god.
When you finally get the West coast going, you should make the Vancouver area, and perhaps enclaves of the west coast US ruled by Asian rulers and perhaps an Asian-American culture. Maybe a new Neo-Confucian religion, as this is what realistically would happen in a cataclysm. People of different cultures, and especially backgrounds are not going to magically band together. I suggest turning Florida and the Detroit area as the designated de-jure lands of African American characters, as the city of Detroit is 83% African American, and Florida is slightly less.
The peninsula piece of land where Toronto is located should also be primarily Asian, and secondarily Indian. I'm sure we can use the Indian portraits for this. If any European characters are in Ontario, they'd be likely in the rest of Ontario. I also wouldn't make Southern Ontario one kingdom at start. Maybe two duchies, with the Toronto area being a duchy, and maybe the Ottawa area being a small kingdom or vice versa. To add some spice to see who unifies Ontario. But making the Toronto area's culture Asian American, and isolated from their far Western kin on the west coast.
I've also noticed that most of the Western European portraits resemble that of Mediterranean peoples in CkII without the Mediterranean DLC packs. In other words, everybody has dark hair and light eyes, which is definitely not accurate. Especially in the Northeastern US, the Martimes and Ontario-Quebec. Quebec especially being settled by Breton and Normans colonists. Later, an influx of Irish and Scottish. Quebecers are either very fair featured, or very pale with dark brown eyes and hair.
Sorry for the long reply, I just figured you'd like to hear some opinions. This is one of my all time, favourite mods alongside the Winter King and I just want to help as much as I can with immersion and realism.
When you finally get the West coast going, you should make the Vancouver area, and perhaps enclaves of the west coast US ruled by Asian rulers and perhaps an Asian-American culture. Maybe a new Neo-Confucian religion, as this is what realistically would happen in a cataclysm. People of different cultures, and especially backgrounds are not going to magically band together. I suggest turning Florida and the Detroit area as the designated de-jure lands of African American characters, as the city of Detroit is 83% African American, and Florida is slightly less.
The peninsula piece of land where Toronto is located should also be primarily Asian, and secondarily Indian. I'm sure we can use the Indian portraits for this. If any European characters are in Ontario, they'd be likely in the rest of Ontario. I also wouldn't make Southern Ontario one kingdom at start. Maybe two duchies, with the Toronto area being a duchy, and maybe the Ottawa area being a small kingdom or vice versa. To add some spice to see who unifies Ontario. But making the Toronto area's culture Asian American, and isolated from their far Western kin on the west coast.
I've also noticed that most of the Western European portraits resemble that of Mediterranean peoples in CkII without the Mediterranean DLC packs. In other words, everybody has dark hair and light eyes, which is definitely not accurate. Especially in the Northeastern US, the Martimes and Ontario-Quebec. Quebec especially being settled by Breton and Normans colonists. Later, an influx of Irish and Scottish. Quebecers are either very fair featured, or very pale with dark brown eyes and hair.
Sorry for the long reply, I just figured you'd like to hear some opinions. This is one of my all time, favourite mods alongside the Winter King and I just want to help as much as I can with immersion and realism.
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I just downloaded this mod today and the map is loading just fine, however, no characters, counties, or bookmarks are loading. The info pannel at the bottom of the map has the info of the base game start date and all of the bookmarks are for the base game. I have no clue how or why this is happening. Someone please try and help me!
And in other news, thinly veiled racism. Well since we know the races cannot mix, why not just give race war CBs to everyone?
Seriously. Maybe this wasn't your intention, but asserting these things as facts is pretty ridiculous. For instance, what is realistic about a fully assimilated Asian immigrant population creating a religion and way of life based on something totally absent from their surroundings? What is in any way plausible for Canadian blacks to adopt Vodun? Is it that other blacks in the game are?
Saying that they've "magically" banded together ignores the fact that they've had a couple centuries to get used to each other.
I don't know what he's doing for Cali, but he did add a Chinese culture just to the south in mexico, which is just the same religion as the rest. I hope he does add more Chinese culture, but I don't think they will be Confucians, but you never know. Also, are you saying he should use Celtic portraits for north eastern Americans? I would agree to that, and I know we could just change them ourselves, but having by default would be nice as it adds more diversity. Also I checked demographics for Ontario and it seems as if Asians are still a minority compared to people of European descent.
If we were going by accurate and proportional representation, even the County of Detroit in-game wouldn't be African-American; that province covers the entire metropolitan area, not just the city proper, and Metro Detroit is over two-thirds white irl.
I'm not particularly thrilled by the religious suggestions, either. Why would African-Canadians all default to Voodoo? When Armageddon strikes, why would Asian-American and Asian-Canadian families turn to Confucianism, especially the Kim and Matsumoto families?
I'm not particularly thrilled by the religious suggestions, either. Why would African-Canadians all default to Voodoo? When Armageddon strikes, why would Asian-American and Asian-Canadian families turn to Confucianism, especially the Kim and Matsumoto families?
I have a question, are you guys going to use any of the other portraits? Like Celtic, or Russian?
It looks like Yankees are set to use celticgfx, but I don't have that DLC so I'm not sure if that's working or not.
Yankees in New England use Celtic portraits if the player has the DLC for it.
Exactly my thinking. I'd like to think the apocalypse would make people not care about race anymore.
It would probably have the opposite effect, at least to an extent. People would quickly organize into kinship-based groups in order to compete for resources and this would bring about all kinds of prejudice, the racial kind included. Now Racism with a capital R was an odd animal created through a unique set of circumstances as Europeans expanded out from their home countries in the Early Modern era and probably wouldn't return in a form we're familiar with today, but something vaguely similar to it would definitely replace our current tolerant mindset. Post-apocalyptic prejudice would probably factor in a combination of race, religion, culture, geography, preexisting relationships at the time of the cataclysm, etc.
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