[Mod] Additional Traits

[OBV]

I keep thinking of joining with dskod1 is a very good idea, because we will have the best trait's (SUPERMOD TRAIT)

 

[Kaochi]

We've talked about this. I'll let him do the announcement. It was his idea, and I thank him a lot for this.

OTHER TRANSLATIONS IN SPANISH
detestable: -2 Felicidad, -1 Embajada, coste +3
Barbaros: +10% Moral del ejército, +10% Daño del ejercito, +5% Daño a la flota. Coste sin cambios, -1
Amistosas: +2 Felicidad, +1 Embajada, coste -3
Competitiva: +50% de aumento en influencia de rivalidad, coste -1
NOTE 2:
in this line -> Born-warriors : +10% army morale, +10% army damage, +5% fleet damage. Cost unchanged, -1
Cost unchanged, -1 its mean cost basegame? because if it does not necessary indicate not?

It's just a note for the thread. I won't add these lines in descriptions.

Thank you for the translation and the reminder for the unfit traits. I had a mixup and overwrote some localization lines I shouldn't have yesterday. Also, the spanish description for these traits could have been in portugese hadn't I catch it two minutes ago.
It's corrected now.

 

[DreamSmith]

@black_imperator can you clarify that on game start event. The add_modification section.

add_modifier = {
num_tech_alternatives_add = 1
days = -1
}

Is that right?

 

[black_imperator]

What i had in mind was more defining a static_modifier with a specific name, something like

trait_varied_modifier = {
    num_tech_alternatives_add = 1
}

and then in the event, add that modifier, so :

add_modifier = {
modifier= trait_varied_modifier
days = -1
}

 

[Kaochi]

What i had in mind was more defining a static_modifier with a specific name, something like

trait_varied_modifier = {
    num_tech_alternatives_add = 1
}

and then in the event, add that modifier, so :

add_modifier = {
modifier= trait_varied_modifier
days = -1
}

I can confirm I did like @black_imperator is saying and it worked. I suppose writing directly the modifier would work, but I preferred to have a more modular code.

 

[TehT]

Ooh if we can change the number of tech alternatives, how about this:

Trait:
Focused - cost x
-2 tech alternatives
+xx% all research spped

 

[Pilatian]

How is this coming along? Progress looks good so far, do you think you'll have a new version out for tomorrow's hotfix?

 

[Kaochi]

How is this coming along? Progress looks good so far, do you think you'll have a new version out for tomorrow's hotfix?

Mod updated, on the op (direct download) and steam.
The new traits and revised Born-Warrior are now ingame.

But nobody will get the +5% fleet damage from Born-Warrior without starting a new game, I think. I do think I have an idea for a better functionnement of these events, but I'll have to verify how flags (programmed ones, not graphical) are created before.
With flags, I can do a check every 2 years for example, or 5, and if an empire have gained a trait, add the bonuses, if it lose the trait, remove the bonuses. I'll spent time tomorrow or the day after to make it better.


@TehT : Wouldn't it be unbalanced ? We remove the choice from the player hands, but give him more science, so in fine he develop a lot more technologies.
Maybe removing only 1 alternative, for a ... 15% science bonus, cost -1 .. -2 ?? An advantage, so.

 

[OBV]

hi Kaochi
with your mod I will try learn how i make mod

I will try learn, how as different files relate
¿any suggestion from you, always are welcome in this last point?

 

[TehT]

having reduced or no choice would definitely be an interesting way to play,
tho I guess you can make up for the deficit by getting the science based government that adds +1, and there are several +1 unlocks throughout the tree, so the bonus can't be TOO strong.
but it could be a neat lore based thing for your race, they just research whatever takes their fancy at the time, but they're really focused on that one project until it's done

 

[OBV]

how to check your mod works, once released?
and how do you know wich file has to relate ?

thanks

 

[Kaochi]

having reduced or no choice would definitely be an interesting way to play,
tho I guess you can make up for the deficit by getting the science based government that adds +1, and there are several +1 unlocks throughout the tree, so the bonus can't be TOO strong.
but it could be a neat lore based thing for your race, they just research whatever takes their fancy at the time, but they're really focused on that one project until it's done

I guess. I'll wait to get the opinion of other peoples on this subject, I'm not convinced. It could be interesting, I'm just ... hesitating.

how to check your mod works, once released?
and how do you know wich file has to relate ?

thanks

Try your mod before release. Does everything seems to work ? Do you have at least someone which have a strong evident effect and others events/modifiers/traits are written almost identically ?
Then have faith and release. Was the update correctly done ? You'll see if peoples report bugs or complain. The mod tool is incredibly useful but terribly rudimentary.
I don't understand the question about relating files. Could you reformulate please ?

 

[*Aqua*]

Ooh if we can change the number of tech alternatives, how about this:

Trait:
Focused - cost x
-2 tech alternatives
+xx% all research spped

@TehT : Wouldn't it be unbalanced ? We remove the choice from the player hands, but give him more science, so in fine he develop a lot more technologies.
Maybe removing only 1 alternative, for a ... 15% science bonus, cost -1 .. -2 ?? An advantage, so.

I like this focused trait!
This can really change the way how to play.
I propose these stats: -1 Research alternatives, +5% Research speed to all 3 science departments, cost -1
There are already a lot +research speed options (ethos, government, traits) so I suggest to not add another strong one.


And here're traits I'd like to see:
Aggressive: Cooperation isn't exactly a strong point of this species
+1 to max. rival count, cost 1

Extremely aggressive: This species feels threatened by other species.
+2 to max. rival count, cost 2

These traits should only work, if the leading species has them. The costs seem harsh but if well played they offer a significant boost to a militaristic/fanatic militaristic empire where every declared rival gives +1.5 influence/month (+2 if switched to advanced government). I was inspired by this thread.
What do you think about that?

 

[Kaochi]

I like this focused trait!
This can really change the way how to play.
I propose these stats: -1 Research alternatives, +5% Research speed to all 3 science departments, cost -1
There are already a lot +research speed options (ethos, government, traits) so I suggest to not add another strong one.


And here're traits I'd like to see:
Aggressive: Cooperation isn't exactly a strong point of this species
+1 to max. rival count, cost 1

Extremely aggressive: This species feels threatened by other species.
+2 to max. rival count, cost 2

These traits should only work, if the leading species has them. The costs seem harsh but if well played they offer a significant boost to a militaristic/fanatic militaristic empire where every declared rival gives +1.5 influence/month (+2 if switched to advanced government). I was inspired by this thread.
What do you think about that?

I use cost + and - differently than you. I use + for disadvantages, they give points, and - for advantages, they take points. It may not be the most intuitive, but I find it's easier to calculate ingame.
Focused as a malus, but +5% ? So we consider "-1 Research alternatives" worth a +2 to the -1 of Multitasker ? Maybe .. since the research is a really big choice, we could have our first neutral trait, with a cost of 0 ? I was opposed to neutral traits because I thought they'd be an easy choice, a must take when you have no points left, but it's not the case here. It's a real decision.

So my proposition is : -1 Research alternatives, +5% Research speed to all 3 science departments, cost 0.
Like @*Aqua*'s one, with only the cost changed.
Your opinions ?

Agressive and Extremely Agressive are good in my book, I'll add these tonight if there is no objection. We'll keep these descriptions, they are good no ?


A reminder, it's not because a trait made it into the mod than balance is done for it. If you think some trait should be modified, tell us why. Informations are important. Notably, my game is not much advanced (had my first war yesterday, won it, have a fleet at 3k near year 2265). So I'm unable to test much alone. I need feedback if something is unbalanced.
Thank you.

 

[Haldan]

-* Born-Warriors : Army Damage : +10% : Army Morale : +10.0% : Fleet Damage* : +5.00% : Cost : +2

Isn't this a bit too powerful?

 

[Kaochi]

Strong cost -1, give +20% army damage and +5% minerals. So no, I don't think it's too powerful. In fact I just remembered why I wanted to put +10% fleet damage instead of +5%. So I should rather reinforce a bit the trait for it's cost, or lower the cost.

 

[*Aqua*]

@Haldan
Why do you think that? The army boni can be bought in game for 50 minerals per army. And you can get the fleet damage bonus by hiring an admiral for 50 or less influence.

 

[TehT]

zero point traits have their uses, but I agree they have to be an actual choice. These may be hard to balance because the negatives may be counteractable by other, non-trait options

 

[DreamSmith]

Here is my poke at my research diversity. Use as you see fit.

 

[gerishnakov]

I'm not sure Aggressive/Extremely Aggressive work. Are the traits negative or positive? 'Aggressive' seems like it should be negative, but allowing extra rivals is good. To me, this would break the standard currently set by the game that positive traits are inherently good values, while negative traits are inherently bad.

Perhaps as well as allowing an extra rival there could be a negative modifier applied to diplomatic relations with all other civs? Not sure if that's possible.