[MOD] A Game of Thrones
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Correct. That's why I don't think the crusade mechanic is a good idea, because only the three Baratheons (in oder of age) can make a claim on the Iron Throne, not Ned and not Jon Arryn. (But if the crusade mechanic would be just used for those three I think it makes sense.)
Though I never heard of Jon Arryn having had another son apart from Robin; where did you get that information from?
Is it possible to change game music into the GoT HBO soundtracks, or will it bring down the wrath of Copyright Gods?
Naming the mode Game of Thrones or A Song Of Ice And Fire already do... the fact that we use entire background from the universe as well.
Overall, if they hear about this mod they could shut it down in 2 secondes no matter if we put the HBO soundtracks or not.
But so far, I didn't see any aSoIaF mod turned into pieces because of that, but most were before the serie or the official games.
A lot of people appear to be confusing the reason for rebelling with the casus belli, as it were, of the rebellion. The lot of you are acting very much unlike Grand Strategy Game players, I am dissapointed. You think that you can't hide an alterior motive behind a valid Casus Belli? I myself have declared war on France many a time with pointless CB's just to watch the realm bleed so they're in no situation to attack me if my realm weakens. The point is that regardless of why he rebelled, he needed his claim for the rebellion to be in any way justified and for the realm to be held together if he won. And to the individual that said:
"Claim? Who cares about claims after he's won the war?" or something similar, are you kidding me?
That underlying theme that ASOIAF has, what was it again? Oh yeah, everyone declares war on the Iron Throne because Joffrey has no claim. It'd just happen earlier, with Robert instead of Joffrey and just a whole lot more people wanting independence instead of the throne. Yes, we could probably use a crusade mechanic but the main point I was trying to get at was not about the events that led up to the war, it was about the Casus Belli, which was quite clearly the Baratheon claim. Yes the war still would have been won if Robert had died after the battle of the trident and Stannis would have been put on the throne, but as far as I can see the war ended the second Rhaegar died, so what about before? If Robert had died before the trident would the Rebels still have won? Robert certainly wouldn't have killed Rhaegar.
What this discussion is effectively about is whether or not we should turn the War of the Usurper into a Free for All for the Iron Throne when you really think about it. Does that sound like a good idea?
"Claim? Who cares about claims after he's won the war?" or something similar, are you kidding me?
That underlying theme that ASOIAF has, what was it again? Oh yeah, everyone declares war on the Iron Throne because Joffrey has no claim. It'd just happen earlier, with Robert instead of Joffrey and just a whole lot more people wanting independence instead of the throne. Yes, we could probably use a crusade mechanic but the main point I was trying to get at was not about the events that led up to the war, it was about the Casus Belli, which was quite clearly the Baratheon claim. Yes the war still would have been won if Robert had died after the battle of the trident and Stannis would have been put on the throne, but as far as I can see the war ended the second Rhaegar died, so what about before? If Robert had died before the trident would the Rebels still have won? Robert certainly wouldn't have killed Rhaegar.
What this discussion is effectively about is whether or not we should turn the War of the Usurper into a Free for All for the Iron Throne when you really think about it. Does that sound like a good idea?
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But Joffrey didnt won any war, he is kid controlled by Lannisters, which fact here everyone pissed off. He changed his royal emblem, was a child of two Lannisters, not to mention the cruelty, (all people in Kings Landing hatin him, he's wasnt be seen as king by any poeople, other than Lannisters).
Even if Joffrey would be Robert's son, then still many guys like Robb (for killing his father), Renly (dont want be under Lannisters) and Balon (want independent) gonna start a war.
After centuries of Targ rule there wasnt established power on the throne, and no one cares about claims. (Even Robb didnt support Stannis, but wait, he has the best claims!).
Even if Joffrey would be Robert's son, then still many guys like Robb (for killing his father), Renly (dont want be under Lannisters) and Balon (want independent) gonna start a war.
After centuries of Targ rule there wasnt established power on the throne, and no one cares about claims. (Even Robb didnt support Stannis, but wait, he has the best claims!).
If his army won, there still someone from his army can kill Rhaegar, even after his death.
IT could be cool. But also bad, it depends on the execution.A lot of people appear to be confusing the reason for rebelling with the casus belli, as it were, of the rebellion. The lot of you are acting very much unlike Grand Strategy Game players, I am dissapointed. You think that you can't hide an alterior motive behind a valid Casus Belli? I myself have declared war on France many a time with pointless CB's just to watch the realm bleed so they're in no situation to attack me if my realm weakens. The point is that regardless of why he rebelled, he needed his claim for the rebellion to be in any way justified and for the realm to be held together if he won. And to the individual that said:
"Claim? Who cares about claims after he's won the war?" or something similar, are you kidding me?
That underlying theme that ASOIAF has, what was it again? Oh yeah, everyone declares war on the Iron Throne because Joffrey has no claim. It'd just happen earlier, with Robert instead of Joffrey and just a whole lot more people wanting independence instead of the throne. Yes, we could probably use a crusade mechanic but the main point I was trying to get at was not about the events that led up to the war, it was about the Casus Belli, which was quite clearly the Baratheon claim. Yes the war still would have been won if Robert had died after the battle of the trident and Stannis would have been put on the throne, but as far as I can see the war ended the second Rhaegar died, so what about before? If Robert had died before the trident would the Rebels still have won? Robert certainly wouldn't have killed Rhaegar.
What this discussion is effectively about is whether or not we should turn the War of the Usurper into a Free for All for the Iron Throne when you really think about it. Does that sound like a good idea?
But Rhaegar's army lost BECAUSE Rhaegar died, it was undecided until then, when his army fled the field when he fell. What's to say that Robert's army wouldn't have done the same had their positions reversed?
I am sorry but we shall have to agree to disagree. Rob wouldn't have risen up if Joffrey was Robert's heir because Ned wouldn't have tried to depose him and subsequently been imprisoned (which is why Robb initially called his banners). If Joffrey had a legitimate claim to the throne the war of the five kings never would have happened, even if he did prefer his Lannister heritage and change the Royal Flag. I expect Eddard would have remained hand for a bit then been dismissed back to Winterfell, Tywin would have been hand and would have done what he did best. GoT simply wouldn't have happened if Joffrey was legitimate, it would instead just be the story of the Targaryen Scions.
Also, I expect Robb did support Stannis for the Iron Throne, he was just pushed into a situation where all of his bannermen were shouting for independence, and he didn't have the fortitude of Ned to say "No, Stannis is the rightful heir, we declare for him.". The only person imho that doesn't care about claims was Balon, because he just wants to f*ck up the world like a true Ironborn
.Who sits on the throne is all about politics and I expect without Robert's claim there would not have been anywhere near as much stability as there was between the War and his death.
Regardless, it's a pretty moot point as we can only speculate. GRRM wrote what happened, not what didn't
. The only real aguement should be whether or not the Crusade Mechanic would work, which I personally don't agree with, as it'd just turn the war into, as I said, a free for all!
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Horribly trite question incoming:
The current CK2 mechanic permits alliances only through the marriage of important enough nobility between two parties. While this sort of system seems GREAT for the GoT mod (we see plenty of examples of this, the marriage of Cersei and Robert, Myrcella and Trystane Martell, etc.); there ARE examples of alliances being formed through the promise of titles, correct?
Will there be a mechanic with which one can (and I assume this will be a much steeper cost than simply marrying off one of your daughters) propose an alliance by bargaining money/land?
The current CK2 mechanic permits alliances only through the marriage of important enough nobility between two parties. While this sort of system seems GREAT for the GoT mod (we see plenty of examples of this, the marriage of Cersei and Robert, Myrcella and Trystane Martell, etc.); there ARE examples of alliances being formed through the promise of titles, correct?
Will there be a mechanic with which one can (and I assume this will be a much steeper cost than simply marrying off one of your daughters) propose an alliance by bargaining money/land?
Events can do beautiful things, but we have to code them, check them and make so they work in almost every cases without having to create one event for each case.
I don't think we have an event alliance system, but that could be in for a second step.
All screens of the current map i can see didn't have dothraki's continent. It will be modelise or not at all?
If you look at the minimap, you can see that there is a lot of empty space to the east of Westeros. Whilst there are currently no plans for the near future to include Essos, As far as I know the reason the map isn't centered on Westeros is so if we choose to we can include Essos at a later date.
No, Essos is not currently in the mod, and probably wont be until there is a DLC/patch making republics playable.
Yeah... i never understood why vanilla didn't put in the Americas or Australia in... would be so nice to have all that useless landmass to stare at... knowing it makes the game engine that much slower.
This is not how copyright works. There is a fairly big difference between naming a mod after the series and including music from the show.
Anyway, it should be obvious to people that you can't include music from the show.
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