Rahegar did say he will changes things after the battle... i think he meant to finally take some action against his father.
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You could say that about a lot of people. But this is just a game. Ned can kill Cat day 1 and get a wife with better stats, as an example. If you disable the ability for Rhaegar to be able to kill his father Aerys, then you should disable the ability for tons of people to kill others who it "Wouldn't make sense" to kill. Which I wouldn't want at all, as it would be highly subjective (As your view on Aerys and Rhaegar is) and it would take a chunk of fun out of the game, but it would make your point of view more consistant at least.
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The consistent approach would be to disable characters with an 'honourable' trait from being able to assasinate anyone.
Or, if possible, from being able to assasinate kinsman?
Kinslaying is something I'm sure honorable people avoid.
Kinslaying is something I'm sure honorable people avoid.
I feel that is a bit of an over reaction. It does not give an unfair advantage and break the game. It is just somewhat gamey. Also I always personally don't like cracking down on game play to force people to play how you think they should. If the game mechanics are their I feel you should let people use them how they think they should be used. If you restrict to much it will close off options people can take. Taking that sort of approach I can only see as a negative in the long run.
It does give an unfair advantage... and is quite the exploit, then again its semi-canon in character and totally up for the player to choose and do it.
Just dont complain your war was easier if you did... because it would be, for obvious reasons.
Just dont complain your war was easier if you did... because it would be, for obvious reasons.
It does come down to "different strokes for different folks" really. The challenge of winning as Aerys outweighs the prospect of winning as Rhaegar for me, and I'm sure it's visa versa for others.
Personally I found Aerys to be relatively easy, The Reach just has so many men that it will just drown your oponents under their bodies. They are like the Soviets in HoI2
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One thing I noticed was that while under the Iron Throne, the north's succession laws are Premogeniture. However, once you create the Kingdom of the North it reverts to Gravelkind. I was wondering if this was intended or not because it's a bit of a hassle to try and switch it back seeing as you need absolute crown authority to do so. Personally I prefer Premogeniture secession, but if this was intended by the devs then I can live with that. Thank you.
Yeah, I agree that this is a bit of an overeaction. As soon as you hit play the game deviates from Canon. Rhaegar is no longer Rhaegar as we know him, he is Rhaegar as the player makes him. Lets face it, if Rhaegar had attempted to assassinate his father I expect he would have been able to do it quite easily with the support of just about the entire court of Kings Landing.
When I said it increases the chance to bring Tywin into the war, it obviously does because the opinion modifier isn't as bad, but it still doesn't happen often. If you're going to stop that, you're going to have to plug a lot of other "non-canon" stuff. In some of my games I sent a load of gold to the heirs of the LP's - Tyrion, Edmure and anyone created ingame, then plotted to kill the LP. When the LP dies, their heir enters the war on my side because they like me.
They're not exploits imho, they're just ways of using the situation to your advantage like all true CK2 players should aspire to do. If you want to play as the Mad King and defeat the rebels, you do that, if you want to turn Rhaegar into a murderous kinslaying bastard (or great liberator of the people, the victors write history afterall :laugh
then that's your initiative to do so. I don't think it's right for us to remove the use of a perfectly viable tactic of the game, as Harold Godwinson, you can plot to kill William. Granted you're unlikely to get many backers, but then everyone hated Aerys. On a side note, the war is still pretty balanced, it just gives the Iron Throne a little boost in levies. (Mine went up to 17k from ~12k)
A player can also use his initiative to break the North's AI by using boats against them, and they can even marry a Kingsguard to get at those delicious stats. These would also be exploits.
As Ran said, it's semi-canon, it could well have happened. Marrying a member of the kingsguard or breaking the North's AI isn't. Assassination is a valid tactic of Crusader Kings II to win wars. You want to stifle it to force people to play the way you want them to. The War of the Usurper gives a balanced start for players, but once you hit play, it's up to you and players should have the option to use the games system in it's fullest to overcome the challenge they are set. It's not even particularly "gamey".
Marrying a member of the Kingsguard is an exploit that we physically cannot stop due to engine limitations. It's entirely non-canon and simply can't happen in GRRM's world. Rhaegar murdering Aerys? Well that could have, infact, it embodies what the entire game represents.
I really think this is something that the entire team should vote on, and not just be changed because you don't like the idea. My two cents (I refer you to a post Rodri started a few days back in the private Dev forum regarding shared decisions.).
Marrying a member of the Kingsguard is an exploit that we physically cannot stop due to engine limitations. It's entirely non-canon and simply can't happen in GRRM's world. Rhaegar murdering Aerys? Well that could have, infact, it embodies what the entire game represents.
I really think this is something that the entire team should vote on, and not just be changed because you don't like the idea. My two cents (I refer you to a post Rodri started a few days back in the private Dev forum regarding shared decisions.).
Please explain to me how starting as Rhaegar and killing Aerys on day 1 so that you have better stats and a bigger army isn't gamey and an exploit.
We're not talking about Rhaegar just killing Aerys or imprisoning him for tyranny. We're talking about him forming a hidden conspiracy to assassinate his own father in secret.
You'll notice from the dropbox that I didn't change anything and have been encouraging discussion among the other devs about this matter. The increased penalties being added to assassination to make plot-banishing to the Wall more preferable would likely plug this exploit anyway.
To 1 and 2, already explained in my posts. It's my personal opinion, granted, but it's a part of the game. This isn't "Play an exact replication of ASOIAF history". As someone said, Ned stark never would have started a hidden conspiracy to kill Caitlyn (or Robert, or anyone, that's not how he rolls!), but he can still do it.
3. Good Job, keep it up :laugh:.
PS. Lets end this particular arguement here, can continue in private if you want, it's not going to change any potential outcome anyway as I expect neither of us are going to convince the other! Let others talk about it if they want, this isn't our dev forum!
3. Good Job, keep it up :laugh:.
PS. Lets end this particular arguement here, can continue in private if you want, it's not going to change any potential outcome anyway as I expect neither of us are going to convince the other! Let others talk about it if they want, this isn't our dev forum!
I'm gonna tag my refutation in spoilers, because this is from ADWD
In the books, Ser Barristan mentions that Aerys attended the Tourney at Harrenhal, which he believes is because Varys informed Aerys of a plan by Rhaegar to meet with the lords there to discuss removing Aerys from power. I'm not saying that he'd plot to assassinate Aerys, but it seems likely he would've rebelled against his father.
Aerys was very suspicious, so he do not have to have hard evidence that the suspect's son, but also Jon Coddington said that even Rheager, at the end of life, let's say, he did not think that his father was exaggerating with suspicion, and nothing good has no
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