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Audhumbla

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Did you delete the mod first? Or just copy over new files? If you didn't clean out the mod folder before installing the new version, I think things get messed up.

Yes, I have delete my old mod and I install the new, the mod seems working well but there is not lord to select.

And thank for your answer ^^ I wait the next!
 

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I don't really like this new version, for two reasons.

My main beef is about the new plots. They simply don't fit. I'm talking of the plot to Claim the Iron Throne. Try loading the Crowned Stag scenario. In less than a year either the Lannisters or the Tyrells try to conquer the Iron Throne for no real reason. It's extremely unrealistic. In Westeros houses don't simply wake up one day and say "Ok, today I'll try to conquer the Iron Throne". You'd have to have a real claim for that, and it has to be because of dynastic reasons. Really, remove it. There was even the absurd episode in which I started as Mace Tyrell in the War of the Usurper scenario. the Targaryens won. I used the plot to claim the Iron Throne, and Aerys Targaryen accepted, and gave up the kingdom without fighting. Became King of the Seven Kingdoms in one week of playing.

Secondly, the widowed / divorce bug. While playing as Tywin I was being spammed constantly by Hoster Tully to marry Cersei, and he would divorce a second later.

At the current state of things, this version is unplayable. You should revert those two changes. I've not played much because I couldn't get past these two flaws, so maybe there are other issues.

First thing: Claim the iron throne is there so it's not boring forever.
Second thing: In the first release Tyrion would always die of illness, then Cersei would ALWAYS wed Hoster Tully, causing the Westerlands ALWAYS to go to House Tully.
 

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First thing: Claim the iron throne is there so it's not boring forever.
Second thing: In the first release Tyrion would always die of illness, then Cersei would ALWAYS wed Hoster Tully, causing the Westerlands ALWAYS to go to House Tully.

I don't agree.

Claim the Iron Throne may be there to spice up things, but as it is now it just makes them incredibly unrealistic. See the examples I listed.
As for the second thing, it never happened to me.
 

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I don't think you understand, if that plot wasn't there all you would do was build buildings, go to tourneys and feasts and there would be no war at all ever again except for the rebellion.
But on the forums of the team, sombody suggested only allowing it for envious/ambitious lords that reeeeeaaaaallly hate the king
 

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I could see restricting it based on traits. That said, I think that it's clear from the description of the War of the Usurper that the claims to the throne seem pretty thin. It's not like Robert rose up because House Baratheon is a bastard branch of House Targaryen and thus had a really powerful claim to the throne. Jaime pretty much says that after he killed Aerys he sat on the Iron Throne to wait for whomever would show up; it happened to be Ned, and Ned took the throne for Robert. Ned could've claimed the throne for himself at that moment, or Tywin could've shown up and the Lannisters could've seized the throne then instead of when Robert died. Renly claimed the throne without any right to it, simply because his elder brother is a unyielding jerk.

So, what I'm saying is, it seems like all the claims to the Iron Throne besides Danys' (and even there, has a woman ever held the Iron Throne) are all pretty flimsy.

EDIT: Maybe a combination of traits; like ambitious + brave + envious.
 

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I could see restricting it based on traits. That said, I think that it's clear from the description of the War of the Usurper that the claims to the throne seem pretty thin. It's not like Robert rose up because House Baratheon is a bastard branch of House Targaryen and thus had a really powerful claim to the throne. Jaime pretty much says that after he killed Aerys he sat on the Iron Throne to wait for whomever would show up; it happened to be Ned, and Ned took the throne for Robert. Ned could've claimed the throne for himself at that moment, or Tywin could've shown up and the Lannisters could've seized the throne then instead of when Robert died. Renly claimed the throne without any right to it, simply because his elder brother is a unyielding jerk.

So, what I'm saying is, it seems like all the claims to the Iron Throne besides Danys' (and even there, has a woman ever held the Iron Throne) are all pretty flimsy.

EDIT: Maybe a combination of traits; like ambitious + brave + envious.

It is restricted based on traits. It's also restricted based on relational military strength. If you goto our forums (type "The+Citadel+game+of+thrones+mod" into Google), you can see Galle (who wrote the plot) has listed the prereqs out. He is considering tightening them up, however, as we have noticed that the Iron Throne does seem to be in a fair amount of flux.
 

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For the record, and I know that one playthrough isn't exactly cast-iron evidence, but in the game I'm currently playing the Iron Throne has hardly changed hands at all. Rhaegar won the war of the Usurper (Aerys was killed in the middle of it), and then Mace Tyrell took the throne a year or so later. Since then, it's been nothing but Mace and nobody's even tried to take it from him.
 

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Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong in this mod? The Iron Thrown (during the first scenario) just produces mega armies of 15-30K men headed by super generals with 25 martial. The combined might of Stormlands/Riverlands/Westerlands/Northlands/Vale is just a ragged peasant army in comparison. Aerys doesn't even need help from Dorne or Highgarden or the Iron Isles, although he almost always gets it (and those guys bring their own level 25 generals).

Okay, I get that you want to war to drag out, but I got the impression from the books that the Iron Throne was so decadent by the time of the war that they were the underdog. In this mod I feel like I'm playing Diablo 3 and I have to fight legions of the undead just to make the smallest headway. And god help me if I lose one fight. My 7K stack my home province provides takes decades to re-levy, even with all my councilors there doing missions to boost the levy.

And on an unrelated note, how do I petition to get this mod it's own subforum? This thread is an incomprehensible mess right now.
 

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Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong in this mod? The Iron Thrown (during the first scenario) just produces mega armies of 15-30K men headed by super generals with 25 martial. The combined might of Stormlands/Riverlands/Westerlands/Northlands/Vale is just a ragged peasant army in comparison. Aerys doesn't even need help from Dorne or Highgarden or the Iron Isles, although he almost always gets it (and those guys bring their own level 25 generals).

Okay, I get that you want to war to drag out, but I got the impression from the books that the Iron Throne was so decadent by the time of the war that they were the underdog. In this mod I feel like I'm playing Diablo 3 and I have to fight legions of the undead just to make the smallest headway. And god help me if I lose one fight. My 7K stack my home province provides takes decades to re-levy, even with all my councilors there doing missions to boost the levy.

And on an unrelated note, how do I petition to get this mod it's own subforum? This thread is an incomprehensible mess right now.

Because I am a Targaryen loyalist, I never play as the usurper or any of his dogs. However, I would suggest to you that the key to winning as Robert is to use your initial forces to win a decisive victory over the Targaryen army and then march north towards Harrenhal to link up with your Northern allies, whose forces should attach themselves to yours. You can then move south taking castle after castle before meeting the Tyrells and what's left of the Crown Army. Do that, and you should, unfortunately win.

But remember, you'll always be a usurper, and the Dragon will have it's revenge ;)
 

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In addition to Orinsul's comment above, it also wouldn't be very canon. GRRM has refused to indicate whether or not the gods in ASOIAF actually exist until it's proven that the gods in the real world actually exist. So, in other words, never.

What he says is actually surprisingly irrelevant- have you ever heard the phrase 'the author is dead'? In the books it is clear that the Red God and the Old Gods have power. It would take quite a leap of logic to insist that they don't exist- particularly the Red God, whose power has been shown to the reader so many times. The other Gods might not exist at all, however. I don't believe we've seen any of their followers display any form of supernatural abilities (except, I suppose, the God of Many-Faces).
 

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What he says is actually surprisingly irrelevant- have you ever heard the phrase 'the author is dead'? In the books it is clear that the Red God and the Old Gods have power. It would take quite a leap of logic to insist that they don't exist- particularly the Red God, whose power has been shown to the reader so many times. The other Gods might not exist at all, however. I don't believe we've seen any of their followers display any form of supernatural abilities (except, I suppose, the God of Many-Faces).

Not really, it could be just as firmly argued that the weirwoods and the red priests have magic. The books tell the world from the perspective of the characters who only know what they see and are told. Maybe the Gods have Power, But its just that in this setting Magic is a force of nature that effects many things and the people believe its Gods and not Magic.
You might as well site the greeks legends that give Gods as the source of tides or winds as evidence of the existance of Greek Gods in our world. The Greek protagonist thinks the wind comes from a cave, so the narrative, from his perspective says it does, but that doesnt mean it does, just that the characters in the story think it does.
Melisande might be a witch, who believes that her magic isnt magic but really miracles. Or she could just be a woman that the Red God is working through, or some secret child of the forest or ghost or some other magical creature might be working through her for that matter and playing on her beliefs to get away with it.
We dont know the truth of it, we just know what she thinks the truth is and what those around her think is true. But the perspective based narrative doesn't give empirical facts, just opinions.
Theres too much suggestion to either side to say anything definitive, for example its heavily implied that the Red God comes from misinterpreted folk memory of a hero of an earlier age and yet the Red Priest can break the natural rules and make miracles or spells.

While itd take a blind leap to say that dont exist, its an equally blind leap to say they do. The Setting never puts it definitively either way.
It's not important to the story if the Gods of that world exist or not, so the books have never gone into it.

Either way, the gods in the books if they exist or not, would that effect the politics of the westerosi nobility?
And if not then theres no reason to represent them in the game. The World has fish in, but the game doesnt bother to represent fish as they have no impact of anything represented by the game.
So it doesnt matter.
 
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