Mixed armies & sieges

[zorkman]

I have just started to play the game after a long time away, & started as Novgorod in the GC, where I am now in the 1500's after having finally having disposed of Muscowy. After annexing them I have become slightly unpopuler as well as friendless with no allies, with the Lithuania/Poland/TO/Denmark alliance looking likely to attack at any moment.

At the moment Lithuania has only just reached land tech 3 with the others on 4 & my 1st question is if they attack together how do they decide what morale they have in the battle. Does the computer choose the highest tech level, even if only a small percentage of that joint army was from that country, or calculate them individually then use the average from that.

The other question concerns what happens when they can assault. If say Poland or one of the other reached that level, would all the forces who attacked a specific city be able to assault together even if the others never had reached that level, & the one that had a small percentage of the force.

France is going power crazy at the moment, & is on land tech 9 even though it is only 1508, which is 3 more than anyone else, & with Austria & others took around 7 provinces from England in a year which as well as frightning, they seemed to not lose that many troops. If they carry on like this surely they will reach the tech limit in another 100 years or do events keep them back. If them & Austria declared war on me, surely we would be wiped out in a couple of years, even with the wintery conditions, or is it not as simple as that.

 

[orimazd]

Units upgrade when the tech level is reached, rather than the way they are upgraded in hoi2. So, all of France's (land) units have land tech 9.

When you reach land 5, you can only assault with infantry, though if you have cavalry in the province they will also take losses and contribute nothing to the assault. When you get artillery, they do contribute to the assault, and the more artillery you have the easier sieging and assaulting a province will be.

 

[Brian Roastbeef]

As far as France, there is an ahead of time penalty on techs that will raise their cost greatly, should they be researched too far beyond a set year.

http://www.paradoxian.org/eu2wiki/index.php/Tech_tables

In 1508, its going to cost them to be going far beyond Land tech 10. You're behind, but it isn't too far. Techs also have different base values. 5-11 cost considerably less than 3 and 4. 8 and 9 come particularly cheap. Cost wise, France is ahead, but not ridiculously so.

http://www.paradoxian.org/eu2wiki/index.php/Economy_FAQ#Base_Value

Having land tech 9 while others don't is a significant advantage though. I would recommend staying nice to France until the score is evened a bit. Fortunately as Novgorod/Russia, you shouldn't have to deal with them too much. You shouldn't have any of their cores, so they shouldn't be after you. Just hope that they get what most early aggressionists get: badboy wars and civil war.

And even if they don't the Ahead of Time Penalty will at least keep them from fielding Land Tech 60 while the rest of you are still figuring out artillery.

 

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The other question concerns what happens when they can assault. If say Poland or one of the other reached that level, would all the forces who attacked a specific city be able to assault together even if the others never had reached that level, & the one that had a small percentage of the force.

The siege leader controls assaults. So if Poland controls the siege (by getting there first or having the highest-ranked leader), then they can assault, and all the infantry in the siege will assault with them. But if some other ally who doesn't have LT 5 controls the siege, then nobody can assault.

 

[zorkman]

The siege leader controls assaults. So if Poland controls the siege (by getting there first or having the highest-ranked leader), then they can assault, and all the infantry in the siege will assault with them. But if some other ally who doesn't have LT 5 controls the siege, then nobody can assault.

Thanks for that. Is this the same for sieges & moral than? That any siege would use the morale of the siege leader. What about any battles. how do they decide what an enemy forces morale is in fighting if it contains different countries with differing morales.

 

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Thanks for that. Is this the same for sieges & moral than? That any siege would use the morale of the siege leader. What about any battles. how do they decide what an enemy forces morale is in fighting if it contains different countries with differing morales.

I do not think anyone knows the answer to the question. I have asked before. I believe that the morale and tech levels used are similar to the siege leader (that is the first in battle dictates what morale and tech is used). That could be wrong. I also believe that rebels have a different tech level than you if the AI begins a battle against them even though you may join the battle later.