Mistake to go for HRE Emperor in early Castile game?

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I've played my first real game to 1610 as Castile/Spain and ran into problems trying to become emperor after the league wars concluded. This was due to (among other factors) that the current emperor always got a 200 pt bonus for being leader of the Catholic league.

I've looked through a bunch of Castile guides, and only one of them recommended going after emperor out of the gate, by taking 3-4 alliances with electors (and that one was pre-1.30). I've done a little mini-test, and it seems plausible so far, but I'm nervous I'll hit some long term consequences down the road.

To add to the complexity, I like to play Castile as heavily colonial nation, and typically take Exploration and Expansion as my first 2 idea sets. So, I'd be looking at not getting Influence or Diplomatic ideas until my 3d set.

Is it greedy/stupid to go after both early colonialism and HRE emperor?
 

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I recently became emperor as Spain (though I achieved it at 1760). I wouldn't recommend it for you to try to get colonialism and emperorship. First of all, HRE politics are a huge pain in the ass. The current emperor has several modifiers to keep the emperorship; for example, big nation of the empire (+25 reasons), imperial authority (+1 reason per point), same culture (+10 reasons, I believe), diplomatic reputation (being emperor grants +1, which becomes +10 reasons for the electors). Besides that, in case of a tie, the emperor wins the election. Therefore, besides the alliances, those alliances must be partnered with +200 relations, huge diplomatic reputation, and even then it might not be enough. In my run, Provence was an elector with whom I was allied at +200 relations, but even then, he would not vote for me, as he was allied with the current emperor Bohemia. Thus, I had to use great power interactions to break their alliance, and I barely could do it, even if I was more powerful than the other great powers together. If Austria is still the emperor in your run, it will be still more difficult, as Austria's mission tree gives them bonus that help them keep the emperorship.

Also, the HRE after some time becomes a huge mess. After you become emperor as Castile/Spain you are likely a big nation, so most external nations won't attack the HRE, as you will defend them. This might seem good, but every answered called to arms earns you +10 IA, which are a big boost. Heretical princes after the age of reformation are a drain of IA. They require a lot of investment in relations, and even then, the princes might be reluctant to convert to your religion. It is even worse if the heretics are free cities, as you cannot even force convert them without losing 10 IA or taking a stability hit.

If you have not taken diplo/influence ideas, you will find almost impossible to become emperor. These groups provide you with good bonuses (diplo rep, relations slots, extra diplomats, etc.) If you have followed Castile's mission tree, you should have a PU over Portugal and one over Austria (or alliance+RM, for the chance of getting the Netherlands). That means 2 of 4 slots used. If you ally the 4 electors, you will run with 2 dip rep points per turn, probably for the rest of the game.

Now, consider what happens if you lose the emperorship. If you join the empire when you become emperor, and then you lose the emperorship, you will become a duchy, and suddenly, you will be way over your governing capacity. Then, you cannot afford it, so you'll need to keep the electors (preferably the ones that elected you) happy, so you cannot unocuppy their slots. Their alliances are fragile and can be broken by a war or otherwise. If you die without an adult succesor, you lose the emperorship. You'll need to fight France/Poland/Ottomans/Sweden frequently to protect the empire or risk losing 10 IA.

While revoking the privilegia might look attractive, you might have a hard time reaching it, especially if not a lot of reforms have passed. I think it is not worth the hassle.
 
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I've played my first real game to 1610 as Castile/Spain and ran into problems trying to become emperor after the league wars concluded. This was due to (among other factors) that the current emperor always got a 200 pt bonus for being leader of the Catholic league.

I've looked through a bunch of Castile guides, and only one of them recommended going after emperor out of the gate, by taking 3-4 alliances with electors (and that one was pre-1.30). I've done a little mini-test, and it seems plausible so far, but I'm nervous I'll hit some long term consequences down the road.

To add to the complexity, I like to play Castile as heavily colonial nation, and typically take Exploration and Expansion as my first 2 idea sets. So, I'd be looking at not getting Influence or Diplomatic ideas until my 3d set.

Is it greedy/stupid to go after both early colonialism and HRE emperor?
It's easy to do and you have missions for it. If you get the Netherlands via inheritance that's cool, but if you have to fight for them it's still decent. Just improve relations with the electors, ally the electors in a way they won't be pissed at each other too much, and if the emperor is a blobby Bohemia, just declare on minors and Balkanise Bohemia. The free PU mission on Austria should really help carry you forward
 

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people just wanted HRE emperor in previous patches to get full BI.

Unless you know how to cheese IA gain, doing early HRE spain is not needed IMHO.
 
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Can't you just vassalize 4 electors to secure the votes? Late game Spain should be able to take on the whole of Europe, if you took care of France.
I've seen that even if you vassalize the electors, it won't be trivial to get their votes. Anyway, it's not the best option, since there's a malus to IA for vassalized electors, so I would try not to do it.
 

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Thanks for all the replies, this helps a lot.

people just wanted HRE emperor in previous patches to get full BI. ...

Now I know how to translate all those pre-1.30 guides out there - thanks!


... The free PU mission on Austria should really help carry you forward

I missed this in my previous runs. If I understand the wiki correctly, it's not actually a mission, but an event (wiki link). But all I should need to do is to RM Austria and the event will eventually fire, either as Spain, or even earlier as Castile. There's one flavor if France has rivaled both Austria and Spain, with a much shorter MTTH, but if that doesn't happen the longer (and possibly better, since this is the one where you can inherit the low country provinces) event will eventually fire.

I see that there are some requirements such as not having an heir, being over 20, etc., but they all seem like something the player can arrange. I guess you want to avoid having that event fire until after the BI happens. With a 10 year MTTH, seems long enough that you may have some bumps in keeping all the requirements in place (like maybe you have to get rid of more than one heir?), but otherwise seems like a predictable win for Spain.

Would be greatly appreciated if someone can confirm or correct my interpretation of the Habsburg events for Spain. :)
 

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Thanks for all the replies, this helps a lot.



Now I know how to translate all those pre-1.30 guides out there - thanks!




I missed this in my previous runs. If I understand the wiki correctly, it's not actually a mission, but an event (wiki link). But all I should need to do is to RM Austria and the event will eventually fire, either as Spain, or even earlier as Castile. There's one flavor if France has rivaled both Austria and Spain, with a much shorter MTTH, but if that doesn't happen the longer (and possibly better, since this is the one where you can inherit the low country provinces) event will eventually fire.

I see that there are some requirements such as not having an heir, being over 20, etc., but they all seem like something the player can arrange. I guess you want to avoid having that event fire until after the BI happens. With a 10 year MTTH, seems long enough that you may have some bumps in keeping all the requirements in place (like maybe you have to get rid of more than one heir?), but otherwise seems like a predictable win for Spain.

Would be greatly appreciated if someone can confirm or correct my interpretation of the Habsburg events for Spain. :)
The 'free pu' is an enforce union cb in the mission tree if you have golden century. In previous versions you'd get burgundy down the line if you had got the Hapsburg heir event and Austria had inherited, so it would transfer at it did.
 

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The 'free pu' is an enforce union cb in the mission tree if you have golden century. In previous versions you'd get burgundy down the line if you had got the Hapsburg heir event and Austria had inherited, so it would transfer at it did.

I have Golden Century enabled, but I don't see any mission with Austria PU (checked in early game Castile and mid-game Spain). What's the name of the mission?

edit (I'm pretty sure I have all the DLC enabled.)
 

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I have Golden Century enabled, but I don't see any mission with Austria PU (checked in early game Castile and mid-game Spain). What's the name of the mission?

edit (I'm pretty sure I have all the DLC enabled.)
Check wiki again, reward for finishing Spanish Netherlands is enforce union cb on Austria
 

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With the added reforms the earlier you go for it the earlier you can get the vassal swarm. Otherwise Ulm will constantly convert back to protestant every time they get positive prestige. In my recent forever golden attempt, I neglected it for too long and had no way to wrestle it from an austria that had managed to annex all of the Ottomans and Poland. It doesn't help that Austria eventually gets +3 dip rep just for being Austria with their national ideas and the until the end of the game event they get.
 

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Yeah, that's what I said to begin with. It's an event, but not in the mission tree.
I'm talking about the mission 'the Spanish Netherlands', not the events 'a strategic marriage' (which gives Hapsburg heir), or 'a very strategic marriage' (which should transfer control of the Netherlands to you)
 

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Okay, got it. These cascading quotes have a way of leaving context behind. By that time I was asking after the "The free PU mission on Austria", which I've missed out on in my previous campaigns.
 

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I did my only Spain run in 1.30 (first game with this patch) and went colonial first. Result: the Catholics lost the League War (four Catholic Great Powers fought on the Protestant side!!! I was the only one on the Catholic side and even if I conquered France and Portugal, it was too late to save Germany from full occupation. Also the Catholic Emperor AI did not sign peace with Portugal and France even if score against them was at 80% or more, so they kept coming back with mercos or colonial troops, as they controlled the seas) and I had to become Protestant to become Emperor around 1600. Then I realized that I had to be Catholic to create congregations and finish the Spanish mission tree in America. Also the Empire was a mess, so I managed to lose Emperorship, left the Empire, converted back to Catholic and destroyed the HRE at the first opportunity. It was fun.