Missionary Strength and Piety

[Sfan]

Well, Sunni has the strength of being the biggest religion of the game, and a hard one to convert. Just from a conversion perspective, I'd rather be a Sunni conquering Europe than an European conquering the Muslim world because of that nasty -2% conversion strength modifier which makes it impossible to convert any Sunni land early on. And being Sunni meant you always had the Ottomans on your good side if you also rivalled Mamluks, every time I played in Africa I turned Sunni and not Coptic to ally the Ottomans which is the easy way to go, while Coptic is better but harder and more dangerous. Mechanics do not mean everything, it's also about political balance.

 

[El_Cid_]

I've been treating piety like karma to be honest - largely outside of my control. I'm going to conquer what I want and so karma\piety is just a number.

The events can have some big modifiers. I have been disregarding the effect on leg/mys unless I am on the cusp of one of the -75 / +75 boni.

As Mamluks I have remained Sunni (now around 1510) but with Arabia , East Africa fully eaten and Persia maybe 30% done it's time to convert to Coptic soon. I'm now close to the point where there are a manageable number of Muslim tags to juggle wrt coalitions.

 

[bbqftw]

That's the true effect of these changes.

Your true agency is deciding which non Muslim religion you'll convert to.

On the bright side, Sunni + first pick influence + age AE reduction allows you to eradicate the most troublesome area (arabia) with many small tags doing normally reckless things like taking clay of non cobelligerents

 

[TheMeInTeam]

It's still a reasonable faith to keep with humanist, pretty middling now. It's certainly true that the Dhimmi's ability to generate massed zealots give it an edge over many other options in terms of switching though. I don't see why sultanates in India shouldn't switch nearly immediately, aside from role play/flavor events, but in the Middle East you can milk the Ottomans then Dhimmi swap to Coptic.

I'm not going to bother though, I'm just going to humanist 1-tag the Hsin Kayfa thing and call it a day. Non-automated conversions suck, that's thousands of clicks literally in a 1-tag and that's before the extra rebels. I'll just ride the heathen tolerance and right click that junk away knowing I'm throwing away thousands of DIP even with influence :/.

 

[TheAtreides84]

It's still a reasonable faith to keep with humanist, pretty middling now. It's certainly true that the Dhimmi's ability to generate massed zealots give it an edge over many other options in terms of switching though. I don't see why sultanates in India shouldn't switch nearly immediately, aside from role play/flavor events, but in the Middle East you can milk the Ottomans then Dhimmi swap to Coptic.

I'm not going to bother though, I'm just going to humanist 1-tag the Hsin Kayfa thing and call it a day. Non-automated conversions suck, that's thousands of clicks literally in a 1-tag and that's before the extra rebels. I'll just ride the heathen tolerance and right click that junk away knowing I'm throwing away thousands of DIP even with influence :/.

I did that trick a few times, but it feels really bad... I mean, it's so gamey. But on the other hand there is really no way at all to steer your country toward a new religion. Sure, it should be a very difficult, very lengthy process. But it should be there.