Missing plot requirements?

[Burned Coffee]

So here's the thing:

As far as I can see I meet the requirements but... I can't actually use this plot

I feel a bit dense, but is this intended? am I missing the conditions somewhere else? have requirements here have been missing all along?

 

[Summercat]

I'd like to know this as well. Has vexed me a while.

 

[Burned Coffee]

I don't mean to spam but I'd like to give this thread one more chance before it dissapears into the forum graveyard.

I wonder if there's something missing on the tooltip code.

 

[Summercat]

I don't mean to spam but I'd like to give this thread one more chance before it dissapears into the forum graveyard.

I wonder if there's something missing on the tooltip code.

As I said before, I'd like to know as well.

Because damnit, I'd love to do more plots - but honestly, most of the ones I do are assassinating people I don't like.

 

[RelVleDy]

I'm at work so I can't test it (lol), but make sure you don't already have an existing plot that you're involved with. I remember several times wondering why I couldn't assassinate someone, only to discover I was plotting to assassinate someone else.

 

[infernalbargain]

I'm at work so I can't test it (lol), but make sure you don't already have an existing plot that you're involved with. I remember several times wondering why I couldn't assassinate someone, only to discover I was plotting to assassinate someone else.

Actually that shows up differently than this. That shows up with the options being grayed out while this is clearly blue and the other options are available to be picked which would also not be possible if you had another plot.

 

[Summercat]

I'm at work so I can't test it (lol), but make sure you don't already have an existing plot that you're involved with. I remember several times wondering why I couldn't assassinate someone, only to discover I was plotting to assassinate someone else.

Can confirm that this is happens when I don't have an ongoing plot.

And has been happening for a long while.

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

The tooltips are not very helpful, but it's pretty easy to know when you can plot to revoke. For instance, you can't plot against barons/cities/bishoprics even though the plots are shown on the list, and you probably can't plot against Gilan because it's not in your capital duchy and it's his only title.

 

[Summercat]

The tooltips are not very helpful, but it's pretty easy to know when you can plot to revoke. For instance, you can't plot against barons/cities/bishoprics even though the plots are shown on the list, and you probably can't plot against Gilan because it's not in your capital duchy and it's his only title.

Could you please elaborate?

And if we can't, why the bloody hell do they show up...

 

[RX2000]

This bugs me as well. I wish they just wouldnt show up in the list at all if they arent valid plots. I dont see the point of them even being there in the list, just muddling it up....

 

[deadhand13]

A lot of decisions/plots have a 'potential' and a 'requirement'. Potential allows it to show up, but in order to actually use them you have to meet the requirements. For example, you have to be a king or emperor to even see the 'Hold Grand Tournament' decision, but to use it you have to have 500 prestige, 200 gold and not be busy. I suspect a lot of these plots are working the same way. They meet the potential, but not the requirements.

Of course, the purpose of the potential section is to remove spammy things that you will never be able to do so why am I always seeing unavailable plots to revoke baronies?

 

[Burned Coffee]

The tooltips are not very helpful, but it's pretty easy to know when you can plot to revoke. For instance, you can't plot against barons/cities/bishoprics even though the plots are shown on the list, and you probably can't plot against Gilan because it's not in your capital duchy and it's his only title.

That's actually really useful information that I wish I knew before. Earlier I was actually trying to find a way to revoke Gilan, but I was hoping to do it via plot. I find it odd, because in literally every other decision or diplomatic action you can see a nice breakdown of the requirements, specially those that are not fulfilled.

 

[RX2000]

A lot of decisions/plots have a 'potential' and a 'requirement'. Potential allows it to show up, but in order to actually use them you have to meet the requirements. For example, you have to be a king or emperor to even see the 'Hold Grand Tournament' decision, but to use it you have to have 500 prestige, 200 gold and not be busy. I suspect a lot of these plots are working the same way. They meet the potential, but not the requirements.

Of course, the purpose of the potential section is to remove spammy things that you will never be able to do so why am I always seeing unavailable plots to revoke baronies?

It wouldnt be so bad if that were the case, but it should at least show WHY the requirements arent being met. As it is now, they show up AND everything will be green but you still cant select it. Its basically just spamming up the plot area for no reason.

 

[RagingJaws]

It would be quite broken to be able to revoke all baronies/counties directly under you, at will.

1. You can't plot revoke baronies. Wait for a baron to swap religions, earn a strong claim through inheritance, or earn a free revocation from dishonorable behavior. Such as plotting to kill you or rebelling.

2. To plot revoke a county/duchy, you have to have the following requirements met:

• Not a Patrician
• Target is not merchant republic
• No truce with target
• Title was not granted in the last year
• Title is not special (holy order, mercenary, or religious head)
• One of the following:
  
  • county outside duke's duchy
  • or duke with no de jure counties in his realm
  • or any county in the same duchy as liege's capital
  • or secondary county of a multi-count

As you can see, plot revocation is used for "tidying up" a realm along de jure lines, as well as bringing down super vassals who've spilled over those lines.