Just a quick comment on those who are making sarcastic and otherwise useless comments: Give the guy/girl/potato a break! Can someone ask for representation as a CULTURAL MINORITY without being called an "independantist" or nationalist anymore? Oi!
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He raises a fair point. It would probably be more consistent to either merge all cultures on the peninsula as Iberian (except perhaps the Basque, since they're far more distinct) or to replace the Spanish culture with a Castilian one. However, the trouble is that is that there are always going to be issues, simply because there's little consistency in real life in what makes people to consider something to be a distinct culture. We can debate endlessly about what cultures should and should not be in the game.
We can debate endlessly about most things, but that shouldn't keep us paralyzed.
In v1 vanilla there was no Boer culture. Why?
Silesians in Poland think that they are a distant nationality- give them a "representation" as well ! Let's have 1000+ cultures in vicky and be able to create tiny feudal states. Old, good medieval times !
Silesians in Poland think that they are a distant nationality- give them a "representation" as well ! Let's have 1000+ cultures in vicky and be able to create tiny feudal states. Old, good medieval times !
Agree. I will add my family name as a separate culture group to underline the special role they played in history.
I think Vic1 did a pretty good job to depict the mix of cultures, mainly in the Balkans and in the Caucasus. Not entirely happy though with the effect it had on gameplay with a big multinational empire. (ie. never had a problem keeping slovenians and serbs quiet while playing Austria)
Haha, if I did that it would be a small Farmer POP doing some fishing.
I would play just to see it upgrade itself to Capitalist POP exporting Baccalao
Let's let Google Translate decide for us!
English: The game "Victoria" should have a whole lot of cultures so that everyone can enjoy the prospect of learning about the Tosk and Gheg divide in Albania.
(Castillian) Spanish: El juego "Victoria" debería tener un montón de culturas, de modo que todos puedan disfrutar de la posibilidad de aprender sobre el tosco y guego dividen en Albania.
Galician: O xogo "Victoria" debe ter unha chea de cultivos para que todos poidan gozar da posibilidade de aprender sobre o Tosk e Gheg dividir en Albania.
Catalan: El joc "Victoria" hauria de tenir un munt de cultures, de manera que tothom pugui gaudir de la possibilitat d'aprendre sobre el tosc i Guéguen divideixen en Albània.
Basque: Partida "Victoria" kultura asko osoa izan behar duten guztiek Arbëreshë eta Gheg ezagutzeko itxaropena beraz gozatu ahal izango Albania en haustura.wacko
English: The game "Victoria" should have a whole lot of cultures so that everyone can enjoy the prospect of learning about the Tosk and Gheg divide in Albania.
(Castillian) Spanish: El juego "Victoria" debería tener un montón de culturas, de modo que todos puedan disfrutar de la posibilidad de aprender sobre el tosco y guego dividen en Albania.
Galician: O xogo "Victoria" debe ter unha chea de cultivos para que todos poidan gozar da posibilidade de aprender sobre o Tosk e Gheg dividir en Albania.
Catalan: El joc "Victoria" hauria de tenir un munt de cultures, de manera que tothom pugui gaudir de la possibilitat d'aprendre sobre el tosc i Guéguen divideixen en Albània.
Basque: Partida "Victoria" kultura asko osoa izan behar duten guztiek Arbëreshë eta Gheg ezagutzeko itxaropena beraz gozatu ahal izango Albania en haustura.
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Italian: Il gioco "Victoria" dovrebbe avere un sacco di culture modo che tutti possano godersi la prospettiva di conoscere il Tosk e ghego dividere in Albania.
French: Le jeu "Victoria" devrait avoir un tas de cultures afin que chacun puisse profiter de la perspective de l'apprentissage sur le tosk et guègue diviser en Albanie.
The translator is not perfect but displays the similarities. Also, as someone who speaks Italian and a little French, I must add that I was able to understand the Spanish version (not the Basque of course).
French: Le jeu "Victoria" devrait avoir un tas de cultures afin que chacun puisse profiter de la perspective de l'apprentissage sur le tosk et guègue diviser en Albanie.
The translator is not perfect but displays the similarities. Also, as someone who speaks Italian and a little French, I must add that I was able to understand the Spanish version (not the Basque of course).
Its because basque is an all different culture group. Its neither French nor Spanish. Not even related to them.
It's like we got native nomad population in the north on the russian-finn border. Lapps, who did not get their own country and never really tried to make one because nationbuilding is not in their culture, but they have a Lappland parliament in which deals with regional things such as reindeer issues. Can't understand a damn fly of what they say but they are our countrymen anyway, and very cool ones. e.g. they have the hugest knives in our country. But still we can understand those swedes pretty well which is a different country.
I guess it would be about the same similarity between Catalan and Castillan as it would be with Norwegian and Swedish?
It's like we got native nomad population in the north on the russian-finn border. Lapps, who did not get their own country and never really tried to make one because nationbuilding is not in their culture, but they have a Lappland parliament in which deals with regional things such as reindeer issues. Can't understand a damn fly of what they say but they are our countrymen anyway, and very cool ones. e.g. they have the hugest knives in our country. But still we can understand those swedes pretty well which is a different country.
I guess it would be about the same similarity between Catalan and Castillan as it would be with Norwegian and Swedish?
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Haha, if I did that it would be a small Farmer POP doing some fishing.
I would play just to see it upgrade itself to Capitalist POP exporting Baccalao
You'll be assimilated before that happened
Well, my country have 300+ ethnic groups. Some of them (around 5 to 7) even try to create their own independent state.
But in V1, my country is portrayed to only have 4 cultures. And I'm okay with that because I realize inserting all of them in the game would be way too taxing either to the computer resource requirement or to the gameplay balance.
My point is, chill dude. In my country alone there are 296+ ethnicity that share the same fate as the Gallician in either Vicky or Ricky, and that including my ethnicity. So just enjoy the game as it is dude. A Grand Strategy GAME. It's not like the worlds ends when your culture/ethnicity isn't represented on one game.
But in V1, my country is portrayed to only have 4 cultures. And I'm okay with that because I realize inserting all of them in the game would be way too taxing either to the computer resource requirement or to the gameplay balance.
My point is, chill dude. In my country alone there are 296+ ethnicity that share the same fate as the Gallician in either Vicky or Ricky, and that including my ethnicity. So just enjoy the game as it is dude. A Grand Strategy GAME. It's not like the worlds ends when your culture/ethnicity isn't represented on one game.
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What is that country ?
Ethnicity != cultural group. Otherwise we will have to devide the french as it's not an ethnicity, the british ...
Did the Galician ever claimed independance during the time frame ?
This is what's important. Why bother dividing the spanish culture group for a people that in the eyes of history were Spaniards. I'm no expert on Spanish culture, but I do know something about Spanish political history. The Galician independence movement was altogether in hibernation during the 19th century, exept for one single instance, the Solís Uprising. This together with the fact that the cultural/ethnical groups that were (semi)autonomous in medieval Spain were a lot less distinct from one another during the 19th century than say Venetian and Lombard (bunched together as north italian) or Austrian and Bavarian (both south german). There is simply no justification for splitting "Spanish" into anything more specific, if not because the cultural flavors of Spain were so similar, then only because they got along too well for there to be any antagonism, and thus any need for separation in the game.
Remember that the culture groups in any Paradox game are supposed to illustrate friction. For (more or less) solid nation states like France, Spain and Britain awarding them more than one culture doesn't enhance historicity, it cripples it. We have a great modding community to go to for the whackier "what if" scenarios. Vanilla game should be kept as sparse as possible.
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The question of minorities is not "how much of an effect did the minorities actually have" - because in the case of Scots and Welsh, the differences faded drastically in Victorian times.
The question is: "how much of an effect would you see when everything goes to hell?"
If England had more serious internal strain, it's quite possible that Scots and Welsh might have started demanding more. Conversely, Spain's cultural issues quite possibly could have been avoided. Thus, having more cultures is probably a good thing - it forces everyone to be more careful or face the consequences.
The question is: "how much of an effect would you see when everything goes to hell?"
If England had more serious internal strain, it's quite possible that Scots and Welsh might have started demanding more. Conversely, Spain's cultural issues quite possibly could have been avoided. Thus, having more cultures is probably a good thing - it forces everyone to be more careful or face the consequences.
Good point, I wonder if the minorities of OE would have ran to the mountains if the Empire was as rich and stable like that of the British Empire.
Perhaps the Bulgars, Albanians, Armenians, Arabs, etc. would have been more comfortable with their Ottoman national identity as long as their households were filling with luxury goods from distant colonies. But when things fall apart, everyone wants to leave the union. Same rule should apply to all major empires in this same nondeterministic concept. I'm against a monolithic British culture to cover all British subjects regardless of language and cultural differences at the start of the game.
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