Everyone is missing the real travesty. The United States is lacking in its representation of the different mixes of culture groups that make up its demographics at the time. (Because we will be robbed of our Galician nationals.)
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Gallaecians are the same culture divided by political matters.
It was a joke. Or so I heard
However in gameplay its no biggie if some culture lacks. For those who want it can probably be modded. When dealing with national unity things like separatist movements and rebellions, it could for Spain be extra things like these popping up and causing mayhem for the established elite. They already told us Spain will get carlist rebel types. And to represent countries with less national unity than let's say Britain, they could use a number of game engine features to do that i suppose, and to make players focus on keeping the country united. And even for britain you could make Scottish independance if you want to mod it. Wherever there is a sentiment, use it, makes more challenge to players
I think the matter here its not too have every culture represented separately in the game, but to represent them the most accurately possible, and that means having them Portuguse. In fact, both languages are descendants from the same old language. So if Galician is put in Spanish(which is a person born in Spain, not a language or culture) culture, so should be Portuguese.
And French? And Italian? And Romanian? And (to an extent) English? All those are languages either descended from (or in the case of English extremely strongly influenced by) Latin.
Folks, the cultures in this game serve GAMEPLAY purposes. There really aren't three distinct separate 'cultures' in the US, and one unified one in the British Isles (not to mention Australia). But it serves gameplay purposes. If you wish to mod in the Conch Republic and try to conquer the world from the Florida Keys, go on ahead! I know I'll be making some changes, but I wouldn't try and force them on anyone else.
Huh. No, they aren't in for gameplay purposes alone, or else there would be no suspension of disbelief. And how the hell does Galicia being Spanish serve any gameplay purpose at all?
Galicia was Spanish in V1 probably not for gameplay reasons, but because the devs thought Galicians were closer in culture to the Spanish (Castillian) than to the Portuguese.
Welsh and Scottish were the same as English in Victoria, IF Welsh and English are the same language and culture in game terms
does the north-west of spain not pale in comparison?
and the scots didnt speak english at the time as scottish was still a distinct and seperate language.
does the north-west of spain not pale in comparison?
and the scots didnt speak english at the time as scottish was still a distinct and seperate language.
No, it doesn't, as there is a more similar culture already in the game nearby.
the cultures are just merely some text, the important thing is either it is majority or minority.
actually, in game terms, the only aspect of the game where galician culture would be somewhat important is inmigration, as they were mainly galicians, and to a lesser extent asturians who migrated.
Just as an example, all spaniards were and still are -i think- called "gallegos", galicians, in argentina and uruguay, as most of the spaniards arriving in south america were galicians.
Asturians tended to migrate to the spanish antillas, cuba and puerto rico.
Nowadays both galician and asturian commumities on those territories are still fairly strong, and politicians actually go there to catch their vote for the autonomic elections, as like 20% of galicians live nowaday in argentina and uruguay
Just as an example, all spaniards were and still are -i think- called "gallegos", galicians, in argentina and uruguay, as most of the spaniards arriving in south america were galicians.
Asturians tended to migrate to the spanish antillas, cuba and puerto rico.
Nowadays both galician and asturian commumities on those territories are still fairly strong, and politicians actually go there to catch their vote for the autonomic elections, as like 20% of galicians live nowaday in argentina and uruguay
Well, Portuguese and Galician are actually dialects of the same language. Not mixes like English or French are from latin. Galician has a separate grammar since the XIX century just because political interests on isolation, but no logical reason.
And by the way, it affects to gameplay. Galician population were forced to massively emigrate because of their cultural alienation, the same way the Irish did.
The solution proposed by Luis de Aveiro is the most balanced I think.
And by the way, it affects to gameplay. Galician population were forced to massively emigrate because of their cultural alienation, the same way the Irish did.
The solution proposed by Luis de Aveiro is the most balanced I think.
Mhhm... That's a completely politically biased affirmation.
Galicians, same as asturians, were forced to leave because there was simply no jobs. The "evil centralists-imperialists" from madrid screwed everything and everyone they touched, it's simply not true they were trying to exile galicians. Let me put it this way: spanish governments have ALLWAYS sucked, and in the 19th century they were too busy loosing one of the biggest empires in history to bother to start "culture allienating" anyone, they left that to their heirs in the 20th century.
And btw, my mother is galician, so i'm entitled to rant for as long as I want
The spaniards lost their empire just because of being culturally allienating with every nation they ruled.
I was including in some way the asturians in my argumentation. It´s almost the same. I also have western-asturian ascendancy, and they suffered exactly the same problem of cultural alienation for too many centuries, but far much worse. I think asturian-leonese culture was degraded to a level of total unconciousness and abandon much before the Vicky timeline.
Galicians are known by their name, and not as spaniards as other emigrants from Spain, mainly because of their huge number and because their hosts saw them as different people. The main difference is that galician nationalism flourished among the millions of galician inmigrants in America and Europe. Sometimes it is necessary to see things from outside to realize what is really happening.
Believe me, the lack of jobs is always the last consequence of a greater problem, wich starts when the members of a nation can´t manage its own human, cultural and economic resources. It can be extrapolated to many other regions. Thats why the Authonomies were so needed to make Spain governable and allow it to evolve into an economically developed region.
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My POV:
-So we can say there's even no Spanish nation. Catalan, Basque, Gallicians, Castillians, Leonians, Aragonians.. Each of this regions has it's own independentist group, as far as I know. Isn't that funny?
-If we would like to divide the cultures so much, why are there no Breton people? No Montenegrins? No Corsicans? No Occitan people (French from the north sometimes don't even understand them!)? No Abkhaz?
-China isn't an empire. Han people compose 90% of the state. It's a nation state in today's understanding.
-So we can say there's even no Spanish nation. Catalan, Basque, Gallicians, Castillians, Leonians, Aragonians.. Each of this regions has it's own independentist group, as far as I know. Isn't that funny?
-If we would like to divide the cultures so much, why are there no Breton people? No Montenegrins? No Corsicans? No Occitan people (French from the north sometimes don't even understand them!)? No Abkhaz?
-China isn't an empire. Han people compose 90% of the state. It's a nation state in today's understanding.
But "han" as a nation is a late 19th century invention mostly, and Mandarin wasn't the dominant language in China until the late 20th century (and it's difficult to say whether it can be counted as the dominant spoken language in China nowadays).
Well it's actually a concern for many people in Spain, I don't know how funny it is, but yeah, pretty much every town in spain has a separatist-irredentist-particularist feeling about themselves.
The fact is that I can't understand a word from a guy 250 kilometers away from my homeplace and still be in the same country -Basque cuntry-, and even more, that if it weren't for my mother I wouldn't be able to understand a guy talking to me 120 kilometers from me -Galicia, on the other direction-. Even, even more, my mother tongue is castillian, althou I guess I have a pretty strong asturian accent, so I, speaking castillian, can't understand another guy speaking castillian if he's from andalusia...
Another fact is that for almost a century there was indeed a statal effort to suppress regionalism and independentism in a very autoritarian way, so when democracy finally came, people tended to stride for the opposite, and that's where we are now.
But this discussion belongs to the OT-historical forum, what I was saying is that in terms of gameplay it's not worth adding more iberian cultures, but in all fairness there shouldn't be catalan and basque cultures outside the spanish one, they should be represented separatedly, but from the castillian one.
Culture only exists if people perceive it to exist.
That said, I think that how minorities are handled is much more important. It's stupid that they're arbitrarily 50% less efficient than national POPs, and the day that the event fires that make them nationals they all double in productivity.
That said, I think that how minorities are handled is much more important. It's stupid that they're arbitrarily 50% less efficient than national POPs, and the day that the event fires that make them nationals they all double in productivity.
During the 19th century the British culture was more unified than ever in history. Your wrong about the 'Scottish language' (this language does not exist). By the late 19th century the idea of each individual British group being seperate seemed absurd. This only changed after the Gaelic Revival. So the V1 British culture group works quite well for the period.
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