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¿Will the galician nationality be depicted in Vicky 2?

In V1 the basque and catalonians were depicted, but the galicians were gone, even if they accounted for 12% of Spain´s total population.

They told me Vicky was a great game and I was about to buy it, but that detail threw me back.

PS: Hehe Well thats not true, I bought it but coulnt register...

 

[Herbert West]

If we include the galicians, should we include lets say the Schwabians as a separate nationality? The fact that Gallecgo separatism is currently en mode does not warrant representing them as a separate entity.

You see, galicians may be different from castilians, but they are, from an outsider perspective, spanish. A castilian and a gallego have much more in common than either of them have with a frenchman, for example.

 

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Well, its interesting to hear the magyar point of view about hispanic ethnicities. But it´s a bit off-topic, I´m afraid.

As far as I know, Catalan and Basque cultures were depicted in Vicky, but galician were not... and I dont know why because basques are, for example, fewer than galicians.
I just want to know if that culture is going to be arbitrarily excluded (again) or if Paradox will correct this issue (if cultures even yet exist in vicky II) ,just for public information.
Thank You.

 

[Herbert West]

Sigh.

Let me reiterate: the cultural and linguistic differences between basques and the rest of the inhabitants of the peninsula warrant them to be a separate culture group, while the differences between galicians and castilians do not.

Galicians speak, for all intents and purposes, something very close to spanish/portugese, and have a baseline cluture very similar to those. Basques speak a language I dont even know where it belongs, and have a rather different culture than either castilians/galicians/portugese/etc.

 

[Tommy4ever]

Well, its interesting to hear the magyar point of view about hispanic ethnicities. But it´s a bit off-topic, I´m afraid.

As far as I know, Catalan and Basque cultures were depicted in Vicky, but galician were not... and I dont know why because basques are, for example, fewer than galicians.
I just want to know if that culture is going to be arbitrarily excluded (again) or if Paradox will correct this issue (if cultures even yet exist in vicky II) ,just for public information.
Thank You.

baques may be fewer but they are more of a seperate culture.

You can't have every culture. Otherwise the game would crash.

There is no Scottish or Welsh or English culture in the game either. In the game these cultures are united under the British culture.

Consider your Galician culture to be united with the Castilians under the Spanish culture.

 

[Tyon]

*cough cough*

North and South Germans. Whoever they are i dont know them.

 

[Herbert West]

*cough cough*

North and South Germans. Whoever they are i dont know them.

Methinks its a two-fold issue, used to represent the Bavarian-Austrian leaning catholic parts and the Prussia-leaning protestant parts. Also, as a gameplay issue, its there to represent some problems Bavaria would have ruling lets say, Schleswig.

 

[A_Dane]

so one culture lacking and you refuse to buy a game?

 

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So from your point of view, Catalans and Basques are not Spanish, but Galicians are. There are many independentists here.
I am impressed how people like to talk with absolute confidence about countries they have never been to, and tongues they will never learn. Catalans, Basques and Galicians have the same status within the Spanish State: they are Historical Nations. The only difference is that Galicia sitill retains the title of Kingdom, but not Catalonia or Euskadi. Did you know?

And I am not independentist, but its my duty to defend the dignity of my nation as anybody would do.

I guess Herbert West has carried out an philological study proving that castillian and Catalan are whole different tongues, while galician is just a dialect of Castillian, so Castillian can be called Spanish provided that Catalonia and Euskalherria are not part of Spain. Fantastic! I would like to take a look on that study.

I can understand there were technical limitations for Vicky I, but thats not an excuse for Vicky II. In that case, it would be more honest to explain it to the public, telling them there are nations more worthy of being depicted accurately than others, that would help a lot.

Anyway I think that Paradox designers are professionals and, as long as that they are properly adviced and informed, they will correct this.

PS: A_Dane I lied when I said I didnt buy vicky because of this issue, I really bought it but couldnt register, but doesnt matter... Im not that phanatic.

 

[Tommy4ever]

So from your point of view, Catalans and Basques are not Spanish, but Galicians are. There are many independentists here.
I am impressed how people like to talk with absolute confidence about countries they have never been to, and tongues they will never learn.

I guess Herbert West has carried out an philological study proving that castillian and Catalan are whole different tongues, while galician is just a dialect of Castillian, so Castillian can be called Spanish! Fantastic! I would like to take a look on that study.

I can understand there were technical limitations for Vicky I, but thats not an excuse for Vicky II. In that case, it would be more honest to explain it to the public, telling them there are nations more worthy of being depicted accurately than others, that would help a lot.

Anyway I think that Paradox designers are professionals and, provided that they are properly adviced and informed, they will correct this.

PS: A_Dane I lied when I said I didnt buy vicky because of this issue, I really bought it but couldnt register, but doesnt matter... Im not that phanatic.

If you think its more honest then:

Galicia is not as worthy of being depicted as the many far more important issues un this game.

You may well be the only person who buys Vicki2 and cares about this. Galician culture would have little to no actual bearing on the game as Spain would have that as an accepted culture anyway. There is therefore little point in this being depicted. If they did then as has been said you'd have to also depict all the seperate German national groups which at this time were much more seperate than Galicians and Castilians.

 

[Colon]

so one culture lacking and you refuse to buy a game?

One would be amazed by the all the reasons people manage to come up with to boycot this game.

 

[OHgamer]

It will be a very simple matter of about 10 minutes of modding for players to add any cultural group they feel should be included in the game that currently is not included when V2 is released.

Just as in EU3, you open up the correct text files, make the changes felt necessary, and be on your merry way.

No muss, no fuss.

And IMHO, no reason to not buy the game.

 

[Garra-Ush]

I'm a bit agree and a bit not. For one side I think that Galician should not be the same as Castillian, because they simply aren't the same. Doing that would be the same as uniting Catalan and Castillian.

On the other hand, having them as a separate culture would be too much so why don't the are Portuguese which are the most similar culture and problem solved? At least its more realistic than having them being Castillian.

 

[A_Dane]

No offence intended, but you're really sounding like an independentist/overly zealous nationalist..
If Paradox had decided to group together danish, swedish and norwegian into one culture group, then I'd really have no problem with, we're quite close culturally, and tbh i think that Galician and Castillian are even closer?
If i did have a problem with scandinavian cultures getting grouped together, I'd do as OHgamer suggested, and create a new Danish culture. At the end of the day it's such a minor issue compared to the other aspects of the game.

In all honesty, Basque culture is more important, simply because they aren't like any other culture in the area. Also, i'm pretty sure some more German cultures would be more important, if for no other reason, because there actually were independant states. What was the last time there actually was an independant galician state?

I think catalyan might be in the game, for gameplay reasons regarding the civil war at start

 

[Andrelvis]

If Galicians don't appear as a distinctive nationality, then they should at least be Portuguese rather than Spanish.

 

[A_Dane]

all right, so you're fine with Scottish and English cultures being grouped together as one, but Galician and Castillian is way off?
mod it for christs sake if it's such a big issue

 

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As someone has laready pointed out, modding it takes a few minutes and if you ask here i am sure someone will show you how, as for weather or not there should be a seperate culture...

I do not think there is enough reason to warrant the creation of a galacian culture because what is the point? If there was one then it would have to start of as an accepted culture of spain, which begs the question of its exsistance in any case and if it wasen't accepted then spain would be so horribly nerfed it woulden't even be enjoyable to play.

Unfortunatly for the sake of good gameplay there are some sacrifices to be made. That includes all UK cultures being mashed together as well as all the german ones save for the 2 blocs fighting for control over germany at the time.

P.S Be bloody thankfull that your country even EXSISTS at this point. I wish my country was 400 years younger

 

[Te. Kenzo]

In the game there are not specific culture but large culture useful for the situation of the age.

 

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What I think the others are trying to say is that the Galicians did not present an important factor in Spanish domestic politics and economics on the same scale as the Catalans or the Basques. In the 19th century, the political and economic differences between Spain and Catalonia or the Basque country were much more pronounced than those between Galicia and the rest of the country.

That said, none of us now for sure what cultures, and how many of them, there will be in Vicky. For what it's worth, there is a Galician culture in the latest version of EU3, so you may still hope.

 

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Also, i'm pretty sure some more German cultures would be more important, if for no other reason, because there actually were independant states. What was the last time there actually was an independant galician state?

Seperate states do not mean different cultures or ethnicities. Similarly, just because two cultures have been part of one state for a long time does not mean they are the same. Yes, the inclusion or non-inclusion of an ethnicity is a minor detail, but I can understand why someone would feel strongly when it involves them, just as I can understand why some Mormons were offended by Vicky 1 that their religion was listed as "pagan". Heck, Hearts of Iron isn't even sold in China because it depicts warlord territories as independent states. This kind of thing is taken very seriously by lots of people. Of course, as always happens, people will come and say that you should ignore this and every other feature of the game you don't like because you can mod it yourself