Misleading geography of Magyar settling event?

[Stigandr]

Hi,
Since I'm reading a book about medieval Hungary, I decided to try a Magyars 867 start with HIP. After destroying Bulgaria, and getting the requisite duchies, I decided to settle down, figuring I'd basically just lose my starting territories. I was surprised to see that the Pechenegs appeared taking all of modern Bulgaria as well! Having not tried Magyars in Vanilla, this might be a vanilla issue. However, given that the decision says you will lose all territory east of the Carpathians, it seems quite odd that you lose everything south of it as well! Does this mean you can ONLY keep the parts of the Danubian basin in which the Magyars historically settled?

Cheers,
Stigandr.

 

[Ecnahc]

Yes, for now at least that is how it works.

 

[elvain]

A vanilla issue, AFAIK.

If you have an idea how to simulate the Magyars resettlement better, go ahead, please!

 

[Stigandr]

Elvain, sorry, I didn't mean to say I could do better! I just meant that the description of the Magyar settling event suggests it is only the territory east of the Carpathians that would be lost. I therefore conquered the rest of Bulgaria under the assumption that I would be able to keep it when settling down. When I did, however, it was given to the Pechenegs. I'd just suggest that it's made clear that you only keep the de jure Kingdom of "Pannonia" if that's what's happening.

 

[Ecnahc]

Should it all be given to the Pechenegs, however?

 

[Ganegrei]

Should it all be given to the Pechenegs, however?

Looked them up and it appears that they did move into it historically.

 

[MFCamillus]

Looked them up and it appears that they did move into it historically.

Into Bulgaria or the original steppe homelands of the Magyars? The steppe homelands yes. Bulgaria - I don't think so. The Bulgarians later capitulated to the Romans but then reformed their empire until the Mongols and Ottomans rolled through.

It is an interesting setup in 867 because I believe the Magyars are in the pay of the Romans to attack the Bulgarians and then the Bulgarians get the Pechenegs to attack the Magyars. But if the Magyars take Bulgaria they either ought to keep it or it should revert to the Romans. Giving it to the Pechenegs seems a bit odd and maybe extreme. However, it being a vanilla issue we need to live with it or figure out how to fix it. Not something I have looked at as I had spent most of my limited time so far looking at fixing W Europe. Though the Magyars are on my list as quite frankly they should be a large force in the chaos around the Carolingian fall and at the moment are kind of non-existent in that role.

 

[MFCamillus]

Would it work if k_bulgaria was added to the 'NOT' statement in the event? Then it would exclude the Pechenegs from taking any land belonging to k_hungary or k_Bulgaria. Right?

EDIT: After getting a second chance to do a quick search it looks like the Vanilla event restricts it to k_taurica,ruthenia,cuman,alania. The PB event puts the NOT=k_hungary in place. I think that either change might work, but I run code 3 times before I'll admit that it works.

This is very much something that Meneth developed and so I will let him or perhaps Ziji make a call on whether I am reading it correctly or not. Especially since I believe there was a bit of work put in to balance it as it is.

 

[Stigandr]

Even if it's decided to leave the mechanics of the decision as they are, I think it would be good to make the decision text clearer.