Minimum specs

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while memory size is important, speed is as important. Yes if you have say 360 meg of pc 100 ram, it won't be as nearly as effective as say 160 meg of pc800 ram. Front side bus also plays a huge role, as it is the speed that each component is capable of communicating with each other. Having a high front side bus is extremely vital, this way your uber fast processor isn't getting bogged down by slow communications with other components, or slow components bogging down communications because they can't keep up with the central cpu. I really wouldn't say any part is 'more vital' than others, as it makes up a central whole. Its like having bald tires on a car that has 600 horsepower. The horsepower is useless because the car will not go anywhere if you try to peel out (no grip). So if you have a 1ghz machine and only upgrade the processor to even 3ghz, you won't notice too much difference unless you upgrade other components too. You get the idea

 

[Kalle dussin]

Actually, memory is more important, because if you dont have the needed amount of memory available in RAM the game will have to resort to virtual memory on the hard drive and the game will stall to a near-stop. And the haddrive is much slower than any RAM.
I am sure that what you said can increase performance, but for EU engined games, having enough RAM is crucial.

 

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Try running the game under the minimum processor specs? It won't be playable (if it even loads without crashing, as it will run so slow that frame rates will die a horrible death)
Try installing the game without having enough hard drive space? Can't, as the game can't be installed!.
Try running the game with a video card under the minimum requirements? Same problem as slow processor, frame rates will die a horrible death and you'll probably get a lot of video issues (especially if your card sucks and your processor is slow, egad batman!)
Etc...etc...etc...

Besides, I already went over this - you must have every part that meets the requirements so as to not have issues. You're stating a point that is true, because those things would happen, but that can be said about any other part. See my point? :rofl:

 

[Darkrenown]

Originally posted by Knight_Kin
Try running the game under the minimum processor specs? It won't be playable (if it even loads without crashing, as it will run so slow that frame rates will die a horrible death)
Try installing the game without having enough hard drive space? Can't, as the game can't be installed!.
Try running the game with a video card under the minimum requirements?

Just haveing a video card will meet the min specs and your computer won't work without one so it's impossible to have a working pc which is under spec for vic in the videocard department.

Games will play on an under spec CPU too, I've played EUII on a 200mhz machine and it ran fine (after taking a year or two to load )

But if you try playing an EU engine game on a computer without enough RAM then it slows down a lot, and if you don't have 128mb RAM you probably have a slow HD too making your paging file glacial.

So, assuming you have enough HD space (and if you don't you can just delete some stuff), I'd agree memory was the most important spec to meet for an EU type game.

 

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I'm really embarassed to post this, but here goes:

Compaq Presario
AMD K6-2 @533Mhz
192 Mb RAM
Voodoo 3 3000 PCI, w/ 16 Mb memory

...Ok, when I bought this thing back in early 2000, I didn't really know what I was getting into, since I had been away from PC's for several years. Had no idea what an 'AGP' was, and no idea that the AMD chip was *not* a PIII 'equivalent'.

I AM going to buy a new PC soon. Actually, I've been in the market for some time now. Any day now I could buy one. I just want this @#$^@^ thing to last as long as it can to get ALL my money's worth out of it.

Will I be able to run Victoria well enough? I usually play on slower speeds anyway - to micromanage, so maybe that will help...

 

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Yes but my point is that can be said about any other part. This is the third time i said it, not a difficult concept. No matter what not meeting minimum requirements is rather foolish.

 

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My computer has 128 MB RAM, what does this mean for me?

Will it mean that my computer will struggle with handling Victoria?

 

[Darkrenown]

Originally posted by Knight_Kin
Yes but my point is that can be said about any other part. This is the third time i said it, not a difficult concept. No matter what not meeting minimum requirements is rather foolish.

Clearly for you it is a difficult concept. While meeting the min specs is important, having enough RAM is the vital one for EU engine games. Only one point can be the most important one.

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by dannyboi_sthakl
My computer has 128 MB RAM, what does this mean for me?

Will it mean that my computer will struggle with handling Victoria?

Depends on your other components too though, but it's really memory demanding...

 

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Jagdmaus
I'm really embarassed to post this, but here goes:

Compaq Presario
AMD K6-2 @533Mhz
192 Mb RAM
Voodoo 3 3000 PCI, w/ 16 Mb memory

...Ok, when I bought this thing back in early 2000, I didn't really know what I was getting into, since I had been away from PC's for several years. Had no idea what an 'AGP' was, and no idea that the AMD chip was *not* a PIII 'equivalent'.

I AM going to buy a new PC soon. Actually, I've been in the market for some time now. Any day now I could buy one. I just want this @#$^@^ thing to last as long as it can to get ALL my money's worth out of it.

Will I be able to run Victoria well enough? I usually play on slower speeds anyway - to micromanage, so maybe that will help...

Your video card will be absolutely fine. If anything, I've heard the Voodoo 3 models had particularly good quality 2d images. The good news is that you do have more than the minimum ram requirements, which should definately help. On the last part, it would actually be extremely helpful if a Paradox employer would chime in here and give some idea to what extent integer as opposed to floating point performance is important for the game. The K6-2 actually does quite well on integer performance, its with the Floating Point Performance that the K6-2 really falls behind the P3. Regardless, I think the game should at least run, although not necessarily very fast.

 

[IEX Totalview]

Originally posted by Darkrenown
Clearly for you it is a difficult concept. While meeting the min specs is important, having enough RAM is the vital one for EU engine games. Only one point can be the most important one.

I'll agree here. With EU II, the minimum processor would work fine, but you needed at least 128 mb of ram for good performance.

 

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Clearly for you it is a difficult concept. While meeting the min specs is important, having enough RAM is the vital one for EU engine games. Only one point can be the most important one.

Are you a complete fool? I said I agree, but you can't overlook the importance of other components. If you wanted to make foolish comments why don't you try joining the democratic primary?

Edit: I ran eu2 on minimum requirements. I had more than enough ram but my processor and video cards where lacking. While the game ran, it had HORRIBLE performance and I was unable to play in the later years because of the inability to gain over 4 fps, thus causing the game to almost freeze on the spot (I have been assuming from the beginning that victoria would have the same issues considering it's based off the same engine). I'm not exaggerating nor am i saying it will NOT run, i'm very simply saying you will have an awful time with it. I have first hand experience. If you want to try it go ahead... I don't recommend it lol.

and as a last comment: YES RAM IS VERY IMPORTANT AND PERHAPS MORE SO THAN OTHERS BUT WHAT PART ISN'T IMPORTANT IS MY F---ING POINT!

These are facts and cannot be disputed.

So please STOP stretching the truth it is extremely irritating.

 

[IEX Totalview]

Knight_Kin, you might want to edit your post to exclude the name-calling.

 

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Don't be so overly sensative. I will not edit the post.

 

[unmerged(20981)]

not trying to make waves with anyone.... but i would also suggest editting your post, or atleast apologizing.

 

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"No"

 

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Knight_Kin
video cards where lacking. While the game ran, it had HORRIBLE performance and I was unable to play in the later years because of the inability to gain over 4 fps, thus causing the game to almost freeze on the spot

I'm virtually 100% certain that it had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your video card. The only way I could see it being an issue is if you had some sort of compatibility problem with the video card and Direct X, it almost certainly had nothing to do with the quality of the video card. A game like Victoria doesn't need a good video card, its the games heavily utilizing 3d graphics that do.

While the rest of your problems might have had something to do with your precessor, unless it was far below the minimum, it probably had to primarily with something else about your system.

 

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Minimum requirements for EU2:
Pentium II 266
64MB Ram
DirectXCompatiable Graphics Adapter (at least 2mb video memory)
Windows 95
Directx 8

Recommended:
Pentium II 450
128 MB Ram
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Well my comp was a 266 P2 with 160mb ram and a 2 meg 2d card (which then i upgraded to a 32 meg geforce2 which made a very tiny difference) I'm merely saying that they list recommended specs for a reason. I Certainly had enough ram and with windows ME i had directx 9.1a installed. The game had no issues other than the fact it just ran slow. In fact it ran very stable on my comp, more so than friends of mine that had 1.2ghz + machines odd enough just was terribly slow (which i did suffer with but compared to my 3ghz machine i didn't realize just how HORRIBLE it ran as i had no comparison to it. I never saw others run eu2 on their other machines so i didn't have visual comparison but i knew they ctd' quite a bit in multiplayer)

My point is that you're going to suffer even with mucho ram if your other specs only meet minimum requirement. I don't understand why no one agrees with me, i have facts to support me :

As is my experience with all games...it's really really REALLY better to just have over minimum requirements because you'll enjoy the game a lot more. That is all...really should just let the thread die already.

 

[jdrou]

Keep in mind that "minimum" requirements are very rarely hard limits (with the most likely exception of disk space and video cards). They are mostly a "minimum recommended" and/or "minimum supported." HoI's minimum CPU is P2-300 but it runs on my P233MMX Libretto with 64MB (on external monitor). It's even acceptable at low game speeds. I wouldn't be surprised if my P2-300/416MB/2.5MB video Thinkpad can run Victoria. Real video card limits are usually the ability to support a certain resolution at a certain color depth or, in the case of FPS, a requirement for hardware 3D acceleration.

 

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Knight_Kin
Are you a complete fool? I said I agree, but you can't overlook the importance of other components. If you wanted to make foolish comments why don't you try joining the democratic primary?

Edit: I ran eu2 on minimum requirements. I had more than enough ram but my processor and video cards where lacking. While the game ran, it had HORRIBLE performance and I was unable to play in the later years because of the inability to gain over 4 fps, thus causing the game to almost freeze on the spot (I have been assuming from the beginning that victoria would have the same issues considering it's based off the same engine). I'm not exaggerating nor am i saying it will NOT run, i'm very simply saying you will have an awful time with it. I have first hand experience. If you want to try it go ahead... I don't recommend it lol.

and as a last comment: YES RAM IS VERY IMPORTANT AND PERHAPS MORE SO THAN OTHERS BUT WHAT PART ISN'T IMPORTANT IS MY F---ING POINT!

These are facts and cannot be disputed.

So please STOP stretching the truth it is extremely irritating.

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