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A question: What about the possibility in the event of the dissolution, to the president try to crack down in the groups causing a civil war, like in the breakup of Yugoslavia? This can be for sure an very fun experience of fighting the separatists or the federal government trying to keep america united or to be free from them, also the soviets and maybe some remaneing democracies can support you or the rebels
 

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A question: What about the possibility in the event of the dissolution, to the president try to crack down in the groups causing a civil war, like in the breakup of Yugoslavia? This can be for sure an very fun experience of fighting the separatists or the federal government trying to keep america united or to be free from them, also the soviets and maybe some remaneing democracies can support you or the rebels
Don't worry if all else fails, president can go to his secret base in Guantanamo Bay. :p
 

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A question: What about the possibility in the event of the dissolution, to the president try to crack down in the groups causing a civil war, like in the breakup of Yugoslavia? This can be for sure an very fun experience of fighting the separatists or the federal government trying to keep america united or to be free from them, also the soviets and maybe some remaining democracies can support you or the rebels
This is a cool Idea, perhaps one of the scenarios that could happen once the alpha is done, I also had an event for the nations when the player (if is playing an expansionist American Federation.) where all the nationstates and even the soviets themselves can unite to restore the new order. also remember the American Federation is an anolouge to the Russian one, mostly likley to go towards "American" Communism, like Russia and its "Democracy" (in terms of Democracy with heavy influence of Russian nationalism, so Communism with heavy hints of American unionization.

Don't worry if all else fails, president can go to his secret base in Guantanamo Bay. :p

Oh, dont worry (eventually) the Guantanamo bay territory will become a issue between its holder and Cuba.
 

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Nice :D and what about make it look like the first civil war, with seccession events? The rebel states core region will be kept, but the border states will have a certain % of chance of choosing the Feds or the Rebels, also they will have a national guard force, so the one who will win the control of it, will have more divs in his army :3

Edit: Virgina is CSA
 

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What is the analogue to Chechnya? DC itself would work if you see race/ethnicity as the center.

Actually Puerto Rico could be the Baltic republics analogue. They should declare their independence in this scenario.
Both those are really good, and will implement them soon.
 

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Okay, so I might have a REALLY REALLY alpha stage version of the (battle) scenario out after the weekend, and I wanted to get your opinions on the couple of Ideas I have

1.I had an Idea for some flavor Events, What ever happened Events (Thats the name of them) Essentially it would be flavor events and other types of references to multiple famous people of america and they're fate after the collapse of the Grand Union. I wanted to do this, mostly for fellow americans, I don't really know the situation of "celebrities" after the fall of the soviet union, but even non-americans can recognize certain individuals, not just movie starts, sports players, musicians, writers, authors, and internet celebrities would be all victims in the situation of American collapse. so should I do it. (maybe I could even turn it into a competition to see who can find certain people and then can make requests for who they want to be mention and how.)
2. For Governmental structure, In the non-battle scenario I will do this, but in the battle scenario, should I have governments pre-placed or add the implemented "choose your government event" the American Federation is always going to be Trotskyist (anti-soviet union).
3. Anyone have any Ideas for leaders of the American Federation, I think some Democrats in this TL would switch to the Commie camp, and possible certain individuals could try to take power after the collapse of president Anon, but others are good to.
 

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What if in this scenario Canada becomes analogous to Yugoslavia in a violent breakup, while the US breakup/succession is initially peaceful. I would say New York or Philly should become the capital of the AF, with DC bordering the CSA as a type of Grozny. Atlanta makes sense for the CSA capital.

Okay, so I might have a REALLY REALLY alpha stage version of the (battle) scenario out after the weekend, and I wanted to get your opinions on the couple of Ideas I have

1.I had an Idea for some flavor Events, What ever happened Events (Thats the name of them) Essentially it would be flavor events and other types of references to multiple famous people of america and they're fate after the collapse of the Grand Union. I wanted to do this, mostly for fellow americans, I don't really know the situation of "celebrities" after the fall of the soviet union, but even non-americans can recognize certain individuals, not just movie starts, sports players, musicians, writers, authors, and internet celebrities would be all victims in the situation of American collapse. so should I do it. (maybe I could even turn it into a competition to see who can find certain people and then can make requests for who they want to be mention and how.)
I feel certain right-wing pundits, like Ann Coulter, would suffer horrible fates. Ted Nugent might be another candidate for this.

2. For Governmental structure, In the non-battle scenario I will do this, but in the battle scenario, should I have governments pre-placed or add the implemented "choose your government event" the American Federation is always going to be Trotskyist (anti-soviet union).
3. Anyone have any Ideas for leaders of the American Federation, I think some Democrats in this TL would switch to the Commie camp, and possible certain individuals could try to take power after the collapse of president Anon, but others are good to.
These last points depend on what kind of USSR wins the Cold War. In the scenario I was penning, I thought that the USSR after Stalin would either stay Stalinist or go more Maoist (Left-wing) in the 60s and 70s, then go more like North Korea Juche in the 80s, finally becoming quasi-Dengist Checkist Breshnevite until current day, or alternatively a more radical Worker's revolution overthrows the Party at either one of five historical point 1968, 1977, 1992, 2011, or 2017.

So which version of Communism wins? Is it Stalinist or more like Gorbachev's slightly more democratic Communism? Is it Dengist, is it a worker's radical type? Is it Zuganov's Nationalist type, or Juche's almost red fascist type?

Based on that, it would be easier to imagine what ht eUS counterpoint is.

Without knowing this, Ralph Nader is the only leftist in the US I could see being elected in a TL favoring the "Left". He got about 5%, but maybe conditions throw him another 35%.

But if the US is adopting the Soviet system, then Party control is centralized. In which case, "elections" become more or less irrelevant, and the real question is which party has taken control?
 
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The most successful Marxist groups in the US, were ones of racial minorities like the Black Panthers, Brown Berets and Young Lords. So I am wondering how we see this transition. If it is an actual revolution from militant inner city parties, or some kind of peaceful transition within the existing structure, like what happened to the Communist Party in Russia. Maybe have a trigger for both outcomes?
 

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What if in this scenario Canada becomes analogous to Yugoslavia in a violent breakup, while the US breakup/succession is initially peaceful. I would say New York or Philly should become the capital of the AF, with DC bordering the CSA as a type of Grozny. Atlanta makes sense for the CSA capital.
New York is sort of a Tension point for New England and The AF, I think i have Philadelphia as the current capital. also now breakup of the US is going to be peaceful, although at first its nice, but i will be a brutal race to the end.

I feel certain right-wing pundits, like Ann Coulter, would suffer horrible fates. Ted Nugent might be another candidate for this.
e will make cameos, some may even become leaders of they're respective countries.
Yea, some Right wing politicians that cant make it to the "safer" nations are going to be have horrible fates, however some non-political peopl
These last points depend on what kind of USSR wins the Cold War. In the scenario I was penning, I thought that the USSR after Stalin would either stay Stalinist or go more Maoist (Left-wing) in the 60s and 70s, then go more like North Korea Juche in the 80s, finally becoming quasi-Dengist Checkist Breshnevite until current day, or alternatively a more radical Worker's revolution overthrows the Party at either one of five historical point 1968, 1977, 1992, 2011, or 2017.

So which version of Communism wins? Is it Stalinist or more like Gorbachev's slightly more democratic Communism? Is it Dengist, is it a worker's radical type? Is it Zuganov's Nationalist type, or Juche's almost red fascist type?

Based on that, it would be easier to imagine what ht eUS counterpoint is.

Without knowing this, Ralph Nader is the only leftist in the US I could see being elected in a TL favoring the "Left". He got about 5%, but maybe conditions throw him another 35%.

But if the US is adopting the Soviet system, then Party control is centralized. In which case, "elections" become more or less irrelevant, and the real question is which party has taken control?

The Communism that wins in some areas (mainly the AF) are more like a American version of communism, similar to Trotskyism in terms of anti-stalinists/anti-soviet stance. they are going to be communist, but on their own terms, and the soviets in the back story I have now, are much to busy to create a firm new world order, much like post cold war us. other communist nations, (possibly The Plains states and Quebec) are going to be more soviet favoring.

The most successful Marxist groups in the US, were ones of racial minorities like the Black Panthers, Brown Berets and Young Lords. So I am wondering how we see this transition. If it is an actual revolution from militant inner city parties, or some kind of peaceful transition within the existing structure, like what happened to the Communist Party in Russia. Maybe have a trigger for both outcomes?

Its more a free for all government failure but these groups may be mentioned in various events for certain countries.
 

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Its more a free for all government failure but these groups may be mentioned in various events for certain countries.

And I'm thinking certain cities on the border of the AF may see them again, especially mirroring the ethnic/racial strife in the Caucuses in particular. Cities like DC, Detroit, New York, Baltimore, etc. Even Philly (with its history of MOVE and Mumia) could be a place of strife similar to Chechnya, Dagestan, Ossetia and Abkhazia . I think that the Midwest, since it is the breadbasket of North America should mirror Ukraine. Perhaps have a mirror to the current crisis. The Mexican/Chicano regions of the West and Southwest and Texas could perhaps be the analogue to Central Asia, since they have high Latino populations, and in the USSR Central Asia had high population of various Turkic groups. Puerto Rico, I already suggested should be like the Baltics. Maybe New England could be like Belarus, a nation adjacent ot the Federation, also an autocracy, and the first to join a union state. Although maybe this conflicts with your ideas of making New York a flashpoint.

The reason I suggested Canada as the analogue to Yugoslavia, is that Yugoslavia was in the USSR's sphere (sort of) but not part of the USSR itself. So having Canada break up into British Canada, Quebec and the First Nations might follow a similar path. Mexico could be like China on the other hand as the regional rival competing over the border areas for influence and control. Cuba could act like the EU/NATO in trying to peacefully expand its brand of Communism into North America by creating some kind of alliance/federation/union with other states formally in the US sphere. Perhaps the option for a United States of the Caribbean is possible.
 

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BTW, I want to co-sign that Atlanta makes most sense for the CSA capitol. Although, I am someone reluctant to believe that a nation that is Communist would accept the legacy of the Confederacy. What if, alternatively, in the Revolution, they go completely the other route instead and become the Republic of New Afrika as the Black Belt?
 

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And I'm thinking certain cities on the border of the AF may see them again, especially mirroring the ethnic/racial strife in the Caucuses in particular. Cities like DC, Detroit, New York, Baltimore, etc. Even Philly (with its history of MOVE and Mumia) could be a place of strife similar to Chechnya, Dagestan, Ossetia and Abkhazia . I think that the Midwest, since it is the breadbasket of North America should mirror Ukraine. Perhaps have a mirror to the current crisis. The Mexican/Chicano regions of the West and Southwest and Texas could perhaps be the analogue to Central Asia, since they have high Latino populations, and in the USSR Central Asia had high population of various Turkic groups. Puerto Rico, I already suggested should be like the Baltics. Maybe New England could be like Belarus, a nation adjacent ot the Federation, also an autocracy, and the first to join a union state. Although maybe this conflicts with your ideas of making New York a flashpoint.

The reason I suggested Canada as the analogue to Yugoslavia, is that Yugoslavia was in the USSR's sphere (sort of) but not part of the USSR itself. So having Canada break up into British Canada, Quebec and the First Nations might follow a similar path. Mexico could be like China on the other hand as the regional rival competing over the border areas for influence and control. Cuba could act like the EU/NATO in trying to peacefully expand its brand of Communism into North America by creating some kind of alliance/federation/union with other states formally in the US sphere. Perhaps the option for a United States of the Caribbean is possible.

While the Analogues are going to be a thing, Geopolitics of North America are still in play, I have been working on the events (Will post one that I need help with later), but here are the governments so far:
AF, as stated above.
CSA: Social Conservative/Market Liberal: I was trying to think of a different name for them, as I want an event in which players can form a new, more progressive south, while at the same time abandoning the old ways and traditions, which can make some people mad.
New England: Democratic Socialist, Belarus in terms of liking the AF, however that's the government, the people want to stay independent, and could coup the government if they try to join them.
Texas: Nationalist Dictatorship, has enemies surrounding it, especially looking to the south.
California: Democratic, closet to the old United states, has problems with Mexico and the Northern Casadia.
Cascadia: Democratic Socialists, Has rivalry with California and Canada over dominance of the West coast.
Alaska: Soviet Puppet state, Communist.
Theses are just the basic stuff in terms of the planned alpha release Im working on, which will be bare bones stuff, but still playable.
 

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Event help

This event is driving me crazy, I cant get it to fire, its in a battle scenario if that helps
Code:
event = {
	id = 990000
	random = no
	country = UCS

	trigger = {
		exists = UCS #here for lulz
	}

	name = "Establishment of the American Federation: Leadership"
	desc = "With the fall of the old Capitalist government in Washington, We have replaced the old corrupt system with the true ways of American Socialism. The first order of buisness is to chose the "
	picture = "peace_conference"
	style = 2

	date = { day = 9 month = December year = 1991 }
	
	action_a = {
	ai_chance = 50
		name = "Ralph Nader: Democratic Communism" 
		command = { type = headofstate which = 54 } #Ralph Nader
		command = { type = headofgovernment which = 165 } #Ralph Nader
	}
	action_b = {
	 ai_chance = 50
		name = "Bill Clinton: Trotskyism" 
		command = { type = headofstate which = 177 } #Clinton
		command = { type = headofgovernment which = 239 } #Clinton
	}
}

thought it was the ID, but its been changed like four times, it say the e
 

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While the Analogues are going to be a thing, Geopolitics of North America are still in play, I have been working on the events (Will post one that I need help with later), but here are the governments so far:
AF, as stated above.
I'm not sure who would be the Boris Yeltsin would be for the US. Even though the Kennedys were anti-communist, if Soviets gain hegemony, perhaps Ted Kennedy could pull a Boris and bring down the US gov't from within. Only problem with this analogy is that Ted is from New England not the AF.

But I think a good Putin mirror would be Ray McGovern. He work in intelligence and has basically become an activist for a 'lefty' take on US policy.
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CSA: Social Conservative/Market Liberal: I was trying to think of a different name for them, as I want an event in which players can form a new, more progressive south, while at the same time abandoning the old ways and traditions, which can make some people mad.
As a twist in history, how about having Jeb Bush (Governor of Florida) as the president of the Southern States of America.
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New England: Democratic Socialist, Belarus in terms of liking the AF, however that's the government, the people want to stay independent, and could coup the government if they try to join them.
Bernie Sanders would make sense as a Democratic Socialist leader.
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Texas: Nationalist Dictatorship, has enemies surrounding it, especially looking to the south.
Then perhaps this country should be the big bad, representing the worst stereotypes of America. As a nationalist dictatorship, I assume White Nationalist. If it is basically fascistic, then how about in the events refer to "Yellow Jackets" much like the "brown shirts" or "black shirts" except they are White Anglo Saxon Protestant or WASP (hence the yellow jacket). The Minutemen are like the SS. These should be the nation to use the old Confederate battle flag. Similar to stuff like the Freedom Party in Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory series, or "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis.
And to boot, there would be an analogue, since Fascists are having a resurgence in Ukraine. David Duke maybe? I know he's from Carolina, but I don't see why he couldn't gain a platform in Texas. But if not him, then his lieutenant in Texas:Louis Beam.
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California: Democratic, closet to the old United states, has problems with Mexico and the Northern Casadia.
Jerry Brown would make the most sense as the leader of this nation. The old Bear Republic returns.
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Cascadia: Democratic Socialists, Has rivalry with California and Canada over dominance of the West coast.
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Alaska: Soviet Puppet state, Communist.
How about a guerrilla insurgency like in Red Dawn, except they are Sarah Palinite's who go by "the Grizzlies" instead of the Wolverines? :-D
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Theses are just the basic stuff in terms of the planned alpha release Im working on, which will be bare bones stuff, but still playable.

What's up with the Great Plains region? And the Midwest? What kind of governments and states are those?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Nations_of_North_America
 

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Sorry forgot all about them
Plains government: military government, run by the old generals that haven't defected to the new states. It is full of strife though, and excepted not to last.
Great Lakes: democratic government. It's people fill with a mix of diffrent groups, and is the second strongest nation, many new englanders wish to join them as well
 

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Sorry forgot all about them
Plains government: military government, run by the old generals that haven't defected to the new states. It is full of strife though, and excepted not to last.
Great Lakes: democratic government. It's people fill with a mix of diffrent groups, and is the second strongest nation, many new englanders wish to join them as well
What kind of military government, right wing presumably? Led by a generalismo or a collective junta?

How about the Great Lakes are lead by Senator Wellstone, presuming with altered events he would live longer? He was a populist progressive aand member of the farmer labor party.

Quebec is Leninist or Stalinist? Here a flag they did in fact use
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And how about Canada and Mexico?