But that’s not true. One of the first wars in this timeframe (Egyptian-Ottoman War) involved multiple Great Powers against each other.
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Ming, my life time ally, has abandoned me for a OPM favour
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This is absolutely ridiculous. Happens every time with me as well. I wonder if it's the AI deciding you don't need help, or if it's the AI afraid of your Diplomatic Play, and running away from the fight.
Imagine that:
- Your enemy is weaker than you are, so the AI decides you don't need its help and bails out
- Your enemy is stronger, so the AI decides it's too dangerous and bails out
Just what is the point lol.
I never had an ally stand with me in any diplomatic play. I haven't seen it for the AI much either, I only remember a few instance. Granted, I'm at the point I've stopped caring about alliances at all and I'd rather get Defensive pacts + swaying on attack. Some time I accept an alliance without any other reason but having it proposed to me, but if I'm called by my ally, I will bail on him anyway, since I know he would. So yeah, alliances are functionally absent of my games.
Another funny example of wonky diplo:
I'm on my way to the Manifest Mexico achievement, which needs among others to take states form the Hudson Bay Company, a subject of the still scary GB. I declared against the US, and swayed Great Britain on my side. The US swayed the HBC, so I though that was the occasion to grab some of their states without risking a war with the UK since they were on my side and spend all my remaining maneuver points on HBC states.
Not only was the UK ok with me taking states from their rebellious subject, but after capitulating the US I was able to have them to accept a peace deal that gave me the HBC states all the while granting HBC independence (to make it easier to get the remaining states I needed). Add to that that Washington is now an english treaty port (I don't know how it is possible since the US are still a great power) and I was laughing my *ss off so hard at my giga brain absurd play.
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You can take Treaty Ports from Great Powers, but if you actually click them, they’ll be shown as “Inactive Treaty Port”, meaning they don’t actually grant you access to their market.
My favorite was being allied to NGF as Great Britain. I helped him kill Baden and Oldenburg, then I started gobbling up Indian minors. While in the process of bullying Mysore, NGF declared a unification war against Austria, who immediately declared Humiliate Great Britain as a wargoal. Then NGF abandoned my war. When I went to abandon his unification war out of spite, I found I was locked into the conflict because of war goals against me. Then I was in a war with Austria, France, and Russia with the one-province war bug on all 90 fronts because my stupid puppets were involved.
I still got the last laugh, though, because I turned the game off and went outside.
I still got the last laugh, though, because I turned the game off and went outside.
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I think they only join if they hate the person you're fighting against. As Austria, I allied Westphalia after I forced released them, both because they rivalled Prussia and I wanted to keep the French away from them. I declared a few more wars against Prussia, and they joined all of them, but they never joined any other war I declared.
Exactly. In my current Grand Columbia game, the only notice I get that Great Britain broke their defensive pact with me is when they ask me to form a defensive pact.
Obligations are a bandaid fix to diplomacy, they are even more gamey than favours in eu4 because the ai can get them on anyone by just bankrolling, but they are willing to join wars and mobilise their whole country as Qing to fight in Europe. I think the game would be better off if ai wasnt willing to be swayed by them.
Alliances are weird too, I don't want to drag my allies into all conflicts, but if our interests overlap, I would like them to join my side and give then something back for it, even if it is a peace of my land, like Sardinia Piedmont did with Savoy. I don't think you can sway your allies currently even with enemy land and since you drag them everywhere, your interests will eventually clash and combined with obligations, they will join against you for nothing.
Alliances are weird too, I don't want to drag my allies into all conflicts, but if our interests overlap, I would like them to join my side and give then something back for it, even if it is a peace of my land, like Sardinia Piedmont did with Savoy. I don't think you can sway your allies currently even with enemy land and since you drag them everywhere, your interests will eventually clash and combined with obligations, they will join against you for nothing.
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Not necessarily, in my experience. It's happened multiple times when I'm playing the US that I start the play for the Mexican Cession (Return State on all the claims Manifest Destiny gives me plus Conquer Mexican Texas), and Mexico gets backed by some big overseas ally - it's happened with UK, with France, with Russia, and with the East India Company once, giving them enough courage to escalate it to war, but then the ally never sends any troops. It's also happened a few times that they'll send over a few troops but not their whole army, so the militias I raised are still the biggest force currently on the continent, even though their paper standing army outnumbers what I've raised.
I've noticed the exact same thing on the same front, but as Mexico myself. UK would send a decent amount of troops, but far from their max and Russia almost none. I've never witnessed this anywhere else so far.
Was that with the latest patch? Here is a change in 1.1.2
Anecdotal as it may be, in my 1.1.1 Mexico game I have had overseas GPs join (on either/both sides) and send troops.
Okay, that's odd. I've never seen that happen.
I literally watched NGF send 400 battalions to the Italian front when tag-teaming Austria and France with Italy. I was Italy, so I was like "Thanks, I guess. But I'd really rather you just rotate your battalions and rest them periodically than flood my front that I am doing fine on."
That's not the funny part, though. The funny part is that I swayed them to back me via obligation. And they mobilized every damn battalion, professional and conscripted, they had.
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I’ve intervened on France while playing as the USA just so they wouldn’t take anything in the Americas
Qing sees Asia as its own backyard same as how the USA sees the Americas with the Monroe Doctrine
Qing sees Asia as its own backyard same as how the USA sees the Americas with the Monroe Doctrine