Ming is merciless !

[Tisifoni12]

The rolling rebellions
The drain on manpower
Spending Admin on stability

Is there some way to bring onthe collapse of the dynasty and the inception of the next ?

 

[Nostalgium]

Are you playing as, or against the Ming?

 

[Tisifoni12]

Playing as.

I suspect it may be better to let the dynasty fall and be replaced without dragging it out so long.
Make concessions to the peasants or have them rebel and burn through the armies ?
Liberate a region, or two, or three to hasten the end; perhaps even have some regional dynasty take over ?

 

[Nostalgium]

Your best bet, then, would be to essentially dissolve yourself into your constituent parts (China has a LOT of regional cores), and finally "release and play" as the dynasty you want to take over. This should cripple Ming's ability to hold on to her now numerous vassals, and the resulting independence war should be swift and merciless. Then you can have your very own Warring States reenactment and gather up something from the ashes.

There is no organic way to become a new dynasty as Ming otherwise, as the "narrative point" I suppose of playing the tag is to weather its many crisis' and endure as the Ming never could.

 

[Nostalgium]

As a personal note, I'm partial to Yan and Shu - I quite like their map colour.

 

[Sunsteel]

Ming should have events when a Mingplosion happens to switch to the other tags so you don't have to release or tag over to them

 

[Nostalgium]

Ming should have events when a Mingplosion happens to switch to the other tags so you don't have to release or tag over to them

Especially for the big ones, like Shun, Wu, Yue and Dali. And that one guy who flees to Taiwan (Kongxia?).

 

[Sunsteel]

Especially for the big ones, like Shun, Wu, Yue and Dali. And that one guy who flees to Taiwan (Kongxia?).

I think the Taiwan one actually got a thing to switch to them, last update but don't quite me on that.

 

[Tisifoni12]

Aha !

Choose the revolting peasants option rather than the local autonomy. As the map goes gradually hatched black options arise to devolve control to regional governors, with the option to take one of those states.

I am now Shun, consolidating the Northern half of China.

 

[Tigraness]

Look, even AI can get 100 Mandate and survive in 1600s! It should inspire us to try harder!

 

[Tisifoni12]

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Look, even AI can get 100 Mandate and survive in 1600s! It should inspire us to try harder!

I don't want the mandate.
I wanted either to play on as a significant successor, or reunify and found a new dynasty.
I'd like to convert to Buddhism, but that doesn't seem an option.

 

[Word_Smith]

I am now Shun, consolidating the Northern half of China.

Nice alt-hist! Perhaps you can re-unify China before the Manchu come rolling in.

 

[kdsw]

Ming is merciless !​

There was something in a comic about that

 

[Tisifoni12]

Having consolidated all China under the Shun*, except Taiwan, I am now trying to keep my neighbours in balance with each other so none becomes a significant threat to China.

I would like to convert to Buddhism, but can't see a way.

*second attempt, I hadn't realised first time that using the unify China CB meant that you didn't have to core provinces.

 

[Nwaij]

I would like to convert to Buddhism, but can't see a way.

Buddhism is considered heretical to confucianism. So if you somehow managed to get one flavour of buddhism to be the religion of >50% of your development, you should ba able to accept rebel demands and convert. Good luck getting buddhist rebels thoug, assuming you have harmonized buddhism already.

 

[Tisifoni12]

@Nwaij Yeah, EU4 doesn't really model non-violent protest

No doing an Ashka the Great in China