• We will be taking the forums down for scheduled maintenance on Tuesday, May 22nd 2023 at around 8:00 CDT / 13:00 UTC for up to an hour hour.
  • We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

Tisifoni12

General
18 Badges
Oct 29, 2012
2.471
845
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Stellaris
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Surviving Mars
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Cities: Skylines
The rolling rebellions
The drain on manpower
Spending Admin on stability

Is there some way to bring onthe collapse of the dynasty and the inception of the next ?
 
  • 1Like
  • 1Haha
Reactions:

Tisifoni12

General
18 Badges
Oct 29, 2012
2.471
845
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Stellaris
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Surviving Mars
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Cities: Skylines
Playing as.

I suspect it may be better to let the dynasty fall and be replaced without dragging it out so long.
Make concessions to the peasants or have them rebel and burn through the armies ?
Liberate a region, or two, or three to hasten the end; perhaps even have some regional dynasty take over ?
 

Nostalgium

General
90 Badges
Jan 16, 2010
2.138
5.850
  • BATTLETECH
  • Imperator: Rome Deluxe Edition
  • Stellaris: Nemesis
  • Victoria 3 Sign Up
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Tyranny: Gold Edition
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall Sign Up
  • Victoria 2
  • 500k Club
Your best bet, then, would be to essentially dissolve yourself into your constituent parts (China has a LOT of regional cores), and finally "release and play" as the dynasty you want to take over. This should cripple Ming's ability to hold on to her now numerous vassals, and the resulting independence war should be swift and merciless. Then you can have your very own Warring States reenactment and gather up something from the ashes.

There is no organic way to become a new dynasty as Ming otherwise, as the "narrative point" I suppose of playing the tag is to weather its many crisis' and endure as the Ming never could.
 
  • 1
Reactions:

Sunsteel

Colonel
34 Badges
Jul 20, 2021
887
1.038
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Cities: Skylines Industries
  • Cities: Skylines - Mass Transit
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Hearts of Iron IV: By Blood Alone
  • Victoria 3 Sign Up
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Stellaris
Ming should have events when a Mingplosion happens to switch to the other tags so you don't have to release or tag over to them
 
  • 4
Reactions:

Sunsteel

Colonel
34 Badges
Jul 20, 2021
887
1.038
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Cities: Skylines Industries
  • Cities: Skylines - Mass Transit
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Hearts of Iron IV: By Blood Alone
  • Victoria 3 Sign Up
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Stellaris
Especially for the big ones, like Shun, Wu, Yue and Dali. And that one guy who flees to Taiwan (Kongxia?).
I think the Taiwan one actually got a thing to switch to them, last update but don't quite me on that.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions:

Tisifoni12

General
18 Badges
Oct 29, 2012
2.471
845
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Stellaris
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Surviving Mars
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Cities: Skylines
Aha !

Choose the revolting peasants option rather than the local autonomy. As the map goes gradually hatched black options arise to devolve control to regional governors, with the option to take one of those states.

I am now Shun, consolidating the Northern half of China.
 
  • 1Love
Reactions:

Tigraness

Corporal
19 Badges
Jul 1, 2022
45
78
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Victoria 3 Sign Up
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
eu4_33.png



Look, even AI can get 100 Mandate and survive in 1600s! It should inspire us to try harder!
 

Tisifoni12

General
18 Badges
Oct 29, 2012
2.471
845
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Stellaris
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Surviving Mars
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Cities: Skylines
View attachment 866594


Look, even AI can get 100 Mandate and survive in 1600s! It should inspire us to try harder!
I don't want the mandate.
I wanted either to play on as a significant successor, or reunify and found a new dynasty.
I'd like to convert to Buddhism, but that doesn't seem an option.
 

Tisifoni12

General
18 Badges
Oct 29, 2012
2.471
845
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Stellaris
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Surviving Mars
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Cities: Skylines
Having consolidated all China under the Shun*, except Taiwan, I am now trying to keep my neighbours in balance with each other so none becomes a significant threat to China.

I would like to convert to Buddhism, but can't see a way.

*second attempt, I hadn't realised first time that using the unify China CB meant that you didn't have to core provinces.
 

Nwaij

Colonel
Moderator
65 Badges
Oct 8, 2015
801
1.697
  • Victoria 3 Sign Up
  • Surviving Mars
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • Surviving Mars: Digital Deluxe Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Stellaris: Nemesis
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • BATTLETECH
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Tyranny - Bastards Wound
  • Age of Wonders III
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • BATTLETECH - Digital Deluxe Edition
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Stellaris: Necroids
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Stellaris
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
I would like to convert to Buddhism, but can't see a way.
Buddhism is considered heretical to confucianism. So if you somehow managed to get one flavour of buddhism to be the religion of >50% of your development, you should ba able to accept rebel demands and convert. Good luck getting buddhist rebels thoug, assuming you have harmonized buddhism already.