Ming is Broken, some basic fixes are needed!

[durbal]

The problems were the implementation of mercs and tributaries. Now when those (hopefully) get fixed Ming will need to be changed again.

 

[colinljx]

I don't find the old Ming broken when playing as or against Ming, but the new "fixes" have all made playing Ming feels like self-induced depression. Who the **** would want to become emperor of China or play Ming nowadays? Play passively and stare at the screen on speed 5 for over half the game to pass shitty reforms? Blob like crazy without passing reforms so that nothing can hurt the mandate? No thanks, the celestial empire government form is already crap to begin with, and now mandate is crap too. No one would want to play with this whole bloody bag of garbages.

If piety behave like harmony or mandate and **** the players who dare to attack fellow muslims, hehehe...

Btw, did I mention the mandate losing events that happen over and over after passing reforms? It's like triggering a "comet sighted" event chain for one "comet sighted"~

EDIT: If you disagree, please kindly reply with your Ming play-through experience instead of just clicking "respectfully disagree", preferably with screenshots to contradict my experience. And I'm talking about playing as Ming here.

 

[ywxiao]

The problems were the implementation of mercs and tributaries. Now when those (hopefully) get fixed Ming will need to be changed again.

Essentially they've implemented a government type that no one wants to play as, and remade a religion that no one wants to play as. This is in contrast to the solid mechanics that Orthodox, Coptic, Islam, and Russian princepality/Tsardom, Iqta, Mamuluk government, Ottoman etc. etc. all have.

 

[bly08]

It's the same 4-5 people downvoting every post that says Ming isn't OP because they don't have anything useful to say.

 

[KlinkerFyren]

It's the same 4-5 people downvoting every post that says Ming isn't OP because they don't have anything useful to say.

Likely the kind of people who play Ottomans on easy.