MING: INWARD PERFECTION IS GONE.

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I have completely ceased to take complaints about horde nerfs seriously at this point. It's become more a weird forums cult than anything.

 

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They're usually justified, but it's pretty absurd to interpret huge buffs to Ming (which was overnerfed to the point of ridicule) as horde nerfs, especially when hordes got huge buffs at the same time.

This is my point though, some people seem so invested in fighting the Horde rebellion against the evil designers of EU4 that they don't even notice when their pet Khans actually get a buff. It's more than a little tiresome.

 

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I noticed this patch buffed hordes several times. Seemed weird to me.

It's only 'weird' because people imagine we have some agenda to make playing hordes as miserable as possible. Since that has never been anything more than internet hysteria, it's actually not weird at all.

 

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I think these days, it is more of a forum meme than anything serious. However, it has some basis, as, in the past, the hordes did suffer a whole series of nerfs, over successive patches, despite the fact that they weren't even close to overperforming to begin with. Said nerfs didn't just reduce the capabilties of horde but they significantly reduced the gameplay options available to the player. As such, some people are still a little bitter.

What hordes received were fixes to a wide range of exploits and cheese that were mostly never supposed to be there to begin with. Now that horde gameplay is no longer completely defined by gamey stuff that the AI can't do, we can actually work on their *real* mechanics. This is a process that has happened to a number of features in EU4 over the course of its development (for example, vassals and vassal feeding).

Or you know, we hate hordes and nerf them out of spite because that is absolutely how a game designer approaches mechanics in his own game.

 

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Repeating a justified complain does not make it less so. Fix it and we'll stop complaining.

If by 'fix it' you mean 'put back all the cheese and exploits', not gonna happen.

The rest is largely incoherent ranting about random patch notes that have nothing to do with Hordes. 'Justified' is not my first choice of word there.

 

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Back to ming :

What is the point of the factions since inward perfection is gone ? How is it going to be balanced out ?

Do the factions come with some maluses now, or is it only small bonuses ?

The factions are more like Merchant Republic factions now, with a couple bonuses and a malus each.