MING: INWARD PERFECTION IS GONE.
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You thought the BBB was scary? Here, have a 400 BT Monster surrounded by nations who could maybe stand up to it if all of them combined their forces... if they get lucky
Not to mention Ming is very likely to get 'lucky' if the player picks a historical lucky nation.
Yeah (even AI) Ming should be pretty much unstobbable now.
But let's wait and see. It will be balanced soon enough.
Not to mention Ming is very likely to get 'lucky' if the player picks a historical lucky nation.
Yeah (even AI) Ming should be pretty much unstobbable now.
But let's wait and see. It will be balanced soon enough.
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*tears in my eyes* I supported long and hard removing Inward Perfection, and that CB, and cultural union...
Now Ming still won't be OP because of 50% autonomy, mandate instability and sheer risk of 20+ cultures going rampant (especially as separatists will be active for Ming even with accepted cultures) but it will be much more fair and interesting as an AI opponent as well as more enjoyable to play as.
And reunite China CB finally opens the doors for Chinese States.
Now Ming still won't be OP because of 50% autonomy, mandate instability and sheer risk of 20+ cultures going rampant (especially as separatists will be active for Ming even with accepted cultures) but it will be much more fair and interesting as an AI opponent as well as more enjoyable to play as.
And reunite China CB finally opens the doors for Chinese States.
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I feels the same about ming, I will try them first (at least 5 minutes) just for see the changes.
But still if they still have the 50 % local autonomy it hurts
But still if they still have the 50 % local autonomy it hurts
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I feels the same about ming, I will try them first (at least 5 minutes) just for see the changes.
But still if they still have the 50 % local autonomy it hurts
They have just lost inward perfection giant penalty pack, unaccepted same group culture penalty for all provinces and went from 'lobotomized in two sectons of mil/dip/adm' to 'BUFFED in mil/adm/dip'. That's a lot and their government gives them +10% tech rate; they need an autonomy to not be extremely op
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I hate see everytime a messy China, with countries weak and divide with strange form.
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They have just lost inward perfection giant penalty pack, unaccepted same group culture penalty for all provinces and went from 'lobotomized in two sectons of mil/dip/adm' to 'BUFFED in mil/adm/dip'. That's a lot and their government gives them +10% tech rate; they need an autonomy to not be extremely op
yeah indeed its still a very big buff then
But I think hordes still have their chances to win against china, their units at the beginning are very good and china has no chance against them
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Ming still has 50% minimum LA, which probably means it has been moved to Celestial Empire, but at least the rest of Inward Perfection is gone.
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Hordes have better units until china reaches mil tech 5/6 (inf/cav) after that they will get stomped. Also Ming is rich enough to simply diplo vassalize some of the hordes.yeah indeed its still a very big buff then
But I think hordes still have their chances to win against china, their units at the beginning are very good and china has no chance against them
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With inward perfection gone, the standard Ming armies will be 100% discipline and when they go Temple they get BUFFED. This is a huge change for their neighbours.
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I for one welcome our new Ming overlods whos borders go from the black sea to the yellow sea
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I'm curious, but:
Can countries like a heavily blobbed Chinese minor or a Japan/Korea/Mongol(who should get a special decision to restore Yuan BTW) who successfully invaded China form Celestial Empire now?
It seems now CE actually makes some sense: you lose income and manpower but get various faction boni in return. And you become a Celestial Empire, which is cool.
Can countries like a heavily blobbed Chinese minor or a Japan/Korea/Mongol(who should get a special decision to restore Yuan BTW) who successfully invaded China form Celestial Empire now?
It seems now CE actually makes some sense: you lose income and manpower but get various faction boni in return. And you become a Celestial Empire, which is cool.
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I wonder if forming Qing will give the Chinese reunification Casus belli. Anyway, playing Warring States Era 2 in case of mingsplosion may be really funny with that CB. As a comparison basis, I like the Free for All that the Warlord Era is in Vicky 2's PoD mod.
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Until now I never had a Problem defeating Ming as Japan. Wanna see how it would change.
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It was confirmed that inward perfection was gone but the 50% autonomy level would still be there
I cant remember where it was, it was in the full patchnotes thread
I cant remember where it was, it was in the full patchnotes thread
i fear this is going to break the game in east asia... and we may have china eat up a lot of neighbours... authonomy is not enough to keep them in check... we'll need something to nerf them as soon as possible.
i hope i'm wrong and china will still not be able to wreck everything it surrounds, but that's unlikely...
i hope i'm wrong and china will still not be able to wreck everything it surrounds, but that's unlikely...
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