Ming fastest tech in the world ?

[Kapteinsabel]

With the -75 % tech cost, they are faster than western, or am I missing something ?

 

[WeissRaben]

With the -75 % tech cost, they are faster than western, or am I missing something ?

Yup, you are. Inward Perfection gives them +50%.

 

[Novacat]

Even with inward perfection, with eunuchs they can still tech at roughly the same rate as the Ottomans... the problem is that the AI does not utilise factions properly, so it does a very poor job taking advantage of factions.

 

[Kapteinsabel]

but they gain less monarch points ?

 

[Novacat]

but they gain less monarch points ?

Well, all things considered their tech is probably on par with Muslims.

 

[Kapteinsabel]

thats kinda insane ? if you add how fast they can become western also

 

[Red John]

thats kinda insane ? if you add how fast they can become western also

They don't keep the faction bonuses after westernisation.

They used to be able to, but it was a bug and has since been fixed.

 

[Novacat]

Methods still exist to get a Ming without interal perfection.

 

[Red John]

Methods still exist to get a Ming without interal perfection.

Methods that are either bugs, or horribly overpowered. I expect patch 1.4 to either nullify all or most of those methods, and if not, I'll be a tad disappointed.

 

[Novacat]

Methods that are either bugs, or horribly overpowered. I expect patch 1.4 to either nullify all or most of those methods, and if not, I'll be a tad disappointed.

Well, some of the methods are not even known, so I doubt they will all be fixed. ;3

 

[Red John]

Well, some of the methods are not even known, so I doubt they will all be fixed. ;3

Please report them, if found, for the greater good.

For the greater good!

 

[Comes Imperii]

I for one don't see the issue with all these exploits. If you are complaining about them then you shouldn't use them. If you are spending lots of time finding out new exploits then it means that you want to use them and think of them as morally acceptable for you. If you think that exploits are fine use them; if not don't. Either way you are having fun and that's the point of the game.
Anyway reporting them could make people who like to use them unhappy, while those who don't like exploits shouldn't bother cause they don't like them and therefore don't use them in the first place.

 

[Red John]

I for one don't see the issue with all these exploits. If you are complaining about them then you shouldn't use them. If you are spending lots of time finding out new exploits then it means that you want to use them and think of them as morally acceptable for you. If you think that exploits are fine use them; if not don't. Either way you are having fun and that's the point of the game.
Anyway reporting them could make people who like to use them unhappy, while those who don't like exploits shouldn't bother cause they don't like them and therefore don't use them in the first place.

It's been mentioned that game balance for EU4 is based primarily off of multiplayer.

And the reason why I think it's a bug, is that once your nation westernizes, an event fires that checks if you're Ming, and if you're Ming, factions get removed. If you're not Ming, you don't see it.

If the devs intended for Ming to get -75% Tech cost upon westernizing, don't you think that they'd have never created that event?

 

[Novacat]

Please report them, if found, for the greater good.

For the greater good!

No. Ming is the only country that can stand up against the European menace, why would I provide Paradox the means to dismantle them. ;3