Ming Crisis Shun rebellion intervention should also include Qing
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I also think that Manchu and Qing should take precedence over other steppe horde. Here's an example of the event code.
Code:
# Li Zicheng's rebellion and the Shun dynasty
country_event = {
id = ming_crisis.3
title = "ming_crisis.3.t"
desc = "ming_crisis.3.d"
picture = ANGRY_MOB_eventPicture
is_triggered_only = yes
fire_only_once = yes
major = yes
trigger = {
NOT = { exists = CSH }
num_of_owned_provinces_with = {
value = 10
region = north_china_region
controlled_by = REB
}
any_owned_province = {
OR = {
area = gansu_area
area = west_gansu_area
area = shaanxi_area
area = shanxi_area
area = hebei_area
area = south_hebei_area
area = liaoning_area
}
}
}
immediate = {
hidden_effect = {
every_owned_province = {
limit = {
OR = {
controlled_by = REB
controlled_by = ROOT
}
OR = {
area = gansu_area
area = west_gansu_area
area = shaanxi_area
area = shanxi_area
area = hebei_area
area = south_hebei_area
area = liaoning_area
}
OR = {
controlled_by = REB
controlled_by = ROOT
}
}
add_core = CSH
clear_rebels = yes
}
every_owned_province = { #get rid of bordergore from random Mongolian provinces
limit = {
region = mongolia_region
any_neighbor_province = {
is_core = CSH
}
OR = {
controlled_by = REB
controlled_by = ROOT
}
}
add_core = CSH
clear_rebels = yes
}
release = CSH
CSH = {
capital_scope = {
build_to_forcelimit = {
infantry = 0.6
cavalry = 0.3
artillery = 0.1
}
}
change_government = monarchy
add_government_reform = chinese_warlord
adopt_reform_progress = ROOT
}
if = {
limit = {
any_country = {
NOT = { is_neighbor_of = ROOT }
is_subject_of_type = tributary_state
is_subject_of = ROOT
}
}
every_country = {
limit = {
NOT = { is_neighbor_of = ROOT }
is_subject_of_type = tributary_state
is_subject_of = ROOT
}
country_event = {
id = ming_crisis.10
}
}
}
}
}
option = {
name = ming_crisis.3.a
add_stability = -2
add_mandate = -10
CSH = {
define_ruler = {
name = "Zicheng"
dynasty = "Li"
}
add_yearly_manpower = 15
add_years_of_income = 15
}
if = {
limit = {
has_dlc = "Mandate of Heaven"
is_emperor_of_china = yes
}
CSH = {
declare_war_with_cb = {
who = root
casus_belli = cb_take_mandate
}
}
}
else = {
CSH = {
declare_war = root
}
}
}
option = {
name = ming_crisis.3.b
trigger = {
ai = no
}
add_stability = -2
add_mandate = -10
CSH = {
define_ruler = {
name = "Zicheng"
dynasty = "Li"
}
add_yearly_manpower = 15
add_years_of_income = 15
}
if = {
limit = {
has_dlc = "Mandate of Heaven"
is_emperor_of_china = yes
}
CSH = {
declare_war_with_cb = {
who = root
casus_belli = cb_take_mandate
}
}
}
else = {
CSH = {
declare_war = root
}
}
switch_tag = CSH
}
after = {
hidden_effect = {
CSH = {
if = {
limit = {
any_neighbor_country = {
tag = QNG
is_free_or_tributary_trigger = yes
NOT = { alliance_with = root }
}
}
QNG = {
country_event = { id = ming_crisis.9 days = 1 }
else_if = {
limit = {
any_neighbor_country = {
tag = MCH
is_free_or_tributary_trigger = yes
NOT = { alliance_with = root }
}
}
MCH = {
country_event = { id = ming_crisis.9 days = 1 }
else_if = {
limit = {
any_neighbor_country = {
has_reform = steppe_horde
total_own_and_non_tributary_subject_development = 300
is_subject = no
#NOT = { truce_with = ROOT }
NOT = { alliance_with = ROOT }
#NOT = { is_subject_of = ROOT }
}
}
random_neighbor_country = {
limit = {
has_reform = steppe_horde
total_own_and_non_tributary_subject_development = 300
is_subject = no
#NOT = { truce_with = ROOT }
NOT = { alliance_with = ROOT }
#NOT = { is_subject_of = ROOT }
}
country_event = { id = ming_crisis.9 days = 1 }
}
}
}
}
}
}As the event text talks about not yet being emperor, it makes sense manchu and not qing can get it, as then you would just always avoid those northern provinces in the first war
The flavour text meant nothing in terms of gameplay. Sure, the Emperor of China is required to form Qing but historically Qing is proclaimed before they even conquer Beijing. Not to mention it is Qing that kill Shun historically.
Well whether we call the tag Manchu or Qing at that moment is largely semantic; the point is that they are using the rebellion as a justification to launch an intervention in China, which does not really make sense if you already call yourself the emperor, as no such excuse is necessary then. They already have the claims and can just attack with Unify China as they see fit.
Though in a less historical progression of events I guess in theory there is nothing preventing the possibility that Qing could form, then lose the mandate to Ming again and get kicked back out of China proper, and only then have Ming get the crisis while Qing exists and is not the emperor. Though I've never seen that.
Though in a less historical progression of events I guess in theory there is nothing preventing the possibility that Qing could form, then lose the mandate to Ming again and get kicked back out of China proper, and only then have Ming get the crisis while Qing exists and is not the emperor. Though I've never seen that.
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I think in that case, then Qing should have been using Shun rebellion against Ming as an excuse to unify China. I guess the real life Qing did use that opportunity to unify China.
Code:
# Manchu/Nomadic Intervention on Shun
country_event = {
id = ming_crisis.9
title = "ming_crisis.9.t"
desc = "ming_crisis.9.d"
picture = ANGRY_MOB_eventPicture
is_triggered_only = yes
major = yes
option = {
name = ming_crisis.9.A
liaoning_area = {
limit = {
owned_by = CSH
NOT = { is_claim = ROOT }
NOT = { is_core = ROOT }
}
add_claim = ROOT
}
hebei_area = {
limit = {
owned_by = CSH
NOT = { is_claim = ROOT }
NOT = { is_core = ROOT }
}
add_claim = ROOT
}
south_hebei_area = {
limit = {
owned_by = CSH
NOT = { is_claim = ROOT }
NOT = { is_core = ROOT }
}
add_claim = ROOT
}
shanxi_area = {
limit = {
owned_by = CSH
NOT = { is_claim = ROOT }
NOT = { is_core = ROOT }
}
add_claim = ROOT
}
if = {
limit = {
has_casus_belli = {
type = cb_unify_china
target = CSH
declare_war_with_cb = {
who = CSH
casus_belli = cb_unify_china
}
}
}
}
else_if = {
limit = {
has_casus_belli = {
type = cb_horde_vs_civ
target = CSH
}
}
declare_war_with_cb = {
who = CSH
casus_belli = cb_horde_vs_civ
}
}
else = {
declare_war_with_cb = {
who = CSH
casus_belli = cb_conquest
}
}
ai_chance = {
factor = 5
modifier = {
factor = 0.67
has_opinion = {
who = from
value = 10
}
}
modifier = {
factor = 0.5
has_opinion = {
who = from
value = 50
}
}
modifier = {
factor = 0.2
has_opinion = {
who = from
value = 100
}
}
modifier = {
factor = 0.5
is_at_war = yes
NOT = { war_score = 0 }
}
modifier = {
factor = 0
is_at_war = yes
NOT = { war_score = -15 }
}
modifier = {
factor = 0.2
is_in_large_debt = yes
}
}
}
option = {
name = ming_crisis.9.B
add_prestige = -20
ai_chance = {
factor = 1
modifier = {
factor = 0.01
OR = {
ai_attitude = {
who = from
attitude = attitude_hostile
}
is_rival = from
}
}
}
}
}Also why the capital of Shun is wrong in the country file. It should be like this:;
Code:
government = monarchy
add_government_reform = chinese_warlord
technology_group = chinese
religion = confucianism
primary_culture = xibei
capital = 700 # Xi'an
1627.1.1 = {
monarch = {
name = "Zicheng"
dynasty = "Li"
adm = 2
dip = 3
mil = 4
}
capital = 700 # Xi'an
}
1644.1.1 = { capital = 700 } # Xi'anWhat does your code mean? Also qing wasnt so much unifying china as just conquering china
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It meant that if the target country have the Unify China cb then it will use it against Shun. Coding never really make sense compare to the narrative.
I think his codes mean that if Shun is in war with Emperor of China, Qing will declare war with cb "unify-china" to Shun. Which is what happened in the history. Qing claim they were revenging for Ming and subpressing an unlawful rebellion led by Li Zicheng.
Then, the claim added was for when Shun owning some border areas of Ming that connected with Qing's territory. For the latter I will say Qing's missions already granting that bunch of claims so that isn't really needed. But the former is a historically-accurate call so I will support it.
However, I will not agree with his design for the second option in his event which only grants -20 prestige. I believe it would be better if he grants some modifiers associated with you not pushing yourself into a war but to stay out the mess and looking for better opportunity. The condition for the event to trigger is over-simplified as well. This event should not be triggered only and should be dependent on Qing's condition. Only a strong, prepared and "not-at-war" Qing/Later Jin tag should be called by a forced event. He tried to make up to this by using an ai-chance. But, I'll argue that the ai-chance's triggers are not thoughoutful enough and this is a "fire-only-once" event. So, it should be first to make sure it appears at the time that is most appropriate.
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