Ming Breaking Tributary for no reason BUG?

[Siu-King**]

I'm a horde, have been paying them, 59 trust, +opinion, have royal marriage.
As soon as I press pay the yearly tribute at one particular year, the tributary is broken.

Fun part, after they broke it, I get to ALLY THEM, and they will accept from +50 overlord attitude.
Bug I guess?
at least if I ally Ming they will defend me from coalition LOL
Any idea how or why this happened?

 

[bbqftw]

I got this too.

Maybe due to GP score being similar? I have no idea. But in your case it wasn't even close.

Other possibility is this, I would think any additional condition by which your tributary status can be ended would have been put into the patch notes:

- Tributaries and daimyos now do power balancing internally in realm.

@DDRJake @Chaingun - would being power balanced against also include your tributary relationship being broken out of the blue?

 

[bbqftw]

What I did notice is that Ming doesn't have its neighbors at all marked as vital interest for me which is ... odd. Did you check his strat / vital interest map mode by any chance?

 

[Siu-King**]

What I did notice is that Ming doesn't have its neighbors at all marked as vital interest for me which is ... odd. Did you check his strat / vital interest map mode by any chance?

I did, check the video. I checked EVERYTHING.

Vital interest, trust, opinion, RM, paying/not paying that year, making a new ally (vijay)
which oddly, the time they break it is NOT consistant at all.

 

[derfan]

happened to me twice and it feels like it has something to do with ur dev / liberty desire.

 

[Siu-King**]

happened to me twice and it feels like it has something to do with ur dev / liberty desire.

as mentioned, ACCORDING TO THE DEV (which i read before), they claim that AI Ming behave differently - as long as you pay them, they will be satisfied.

 

[derfan]

i got it in my oda and ryukyu game and i always pay the ming, so that is not the issue.

 

[Siu-King**]

i got it in my oda and ryukyu game and i always pay the ming, so that is not the issue.

That's my point. They must have broke something

 

[TenshiN]

Had the similar situation in my Oda game, but then it was caused by getting to -200 relations with Ming due to heavy AE from all the overdeveloped regions that the AI tends to make now

 

[Siu-King**]

Had the similar situation in my Oda game, but then it was caused by getting to -200 relations with Ming due to heavy AE from all the overdeveloped regions that the AI tends to make now

i could have 1000 AE with Ming back then and they dont care (except they dont want to defend you)

 

[atwix]

got this too.

became tributary, few months later they broke tributary.

maybe this happens if ming has rebels inside their nation? cold be related to that other bug.

 

[Siu-King**]

maybe this happens if ming has rebels inside their nation? cold be related to that other bug.

They said they fixed this

 

[atwix]

They said they fixed this

fixing might lead to new bugs

 

[Siu-King**]

fixing might lead to new bugs

as always.

Bugs are part of the xmas present!

 

[bbqftw]

Florry suggests having vassals is a cause of this.

I had vassal, Siu-King had vassal at the time of this. What is everyone else's experience?

 

[Siu-King**]

Florry suggests having vassals is a cause of this.

I had vassal, Siu-King had vassal at the time of this. What is everyone else's experience?

Doesn't explain it all.

I had a vassal long before that - I no CBed Bengal and vassalized them in 1460. Ming broke it 100 years later.

I feel like in my case it was triggered by me allying Vijayanagar. speculation tho

 

[bbqftw]

Ok here is my console test, here is Mong Yang, which I console integrated to about ~1300 dev.

Not interested in tributary.

Lets integrate vassal.

Once the month ticks over, he accepts tributary offer:

Once that month ticks over he correct flips to domineering:

 

[Siu-King**]

...

Not sure, u mean he breaks when u integrate vassal?

 

[bbqftw]

It means he will again accept tributary once you integrate all your vassals for some reason...

This break doesn't happen immediately. I had my vassals for 15+ years, for example.

@atwix @derfan can you all confirm that at the time you had Ming break tributary, you had at least one vassal?

 

[Siu-King**]

It means he will again accept tributary once you integrate all your vassals for some reason...

This break doesn't happen immediately. I had my vassals for 15+ years, for example.

@atwix @derfan can you all confirm that at the time you had Ming break tributary, you had at least one vassal?

Only if he hasn't dow you already