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:rofl:Dr Bob said:
Why did I only notice this after Kelvin pointed it out like this?
The only really good mapmod out thereYou're correct, I'm too used to MyMAP
So, first priority was to invest carefully in infrastructure and trade techs to give a sound economic base from which a well trained army with superior techs would be able to quickly and efficiently roll back our neighbours whilst paying careful attention to keep our BB as low as possible by making best use out of Casus Bellis and careful diplomatic annexation.
Shaybani however seems to have other ideas...
I was as surprised as you are, i can tell you
This declaration of war brought us into conflict with Sibir and the Golden Horde as well as Nogai, and despite Shaybani's excellent leadership this was a tough fight, with the Uzbek army being very much numerically inferior to the combined enemy forces.
The grand plan of using Shaybani's main army to sweep away all resistance was a good one in theory, unfortunately we simply did not have enough troops, or enough provinces in which to build new ones to take an area once it had been pacified.
This led to several years of campaigning, the further north we went the nastier winter hit our seiging troops and the thicker and faster Golden Horde expeditionary forces came to screw up our well laid plans.
Still eventually we forced a battle in Nogai's capital that pretty comprehensively crushed the remnants of Nogai's army along with much of Sibirs and plenty of Hordish troops as well presumably.
Unfortunately as things started to look better a series of unfortunate events hit, firstly Astrakhan was now viewed as a realistic goal by some power hungry minds in Shaybani's council of war (i.e Shaybani), secondly Ak Konylu joined in the war against us and sent a large army under their best general to defend the aforementioned Astrakhan
And lastly, our weak and fearful allies, Kara Konylu decided that the Timurid Empire was in need of a good kicking courtesy of Shaybani and his merry hordes....
Still there was a silver lining to his if one could but look hard enough, afterall if we are surrounded by enemies that only means we can expand that much faster.
Less jingoistically, war with the large Timurid Empire was not as bad as it seemed, they were suffering from a series of civil rebellions and there border with us was almost entirely unfortified and Shaybani himself was already at the border on one of his rebel butchering sessions.
As such the war was swift and surgical, after all if the Timirs managed to wrest control of any sizeable part of their country from rebels then we could be in for a nasty 3 front war. Shaybani's maruaders streamed into the Timir heartland whilst some hastily assembled levies took any fortified provinces rightfully ours along the border.
With a year the Shah had folded to our modest demands of a single province and the army could be sent back north to finish the petty Khanates, who had begun to push back our northern forces, Nogai meanwhile was finished, forced into (I think) vassalge as well as losing all but their capital.
With half of Uzbek's enemies lying prone at our feet the remainder felt our wrath so hard they still soil themselves thinking about it, Sarai the capital of the Golden Horde was sacked no less than 3 times before Astrakhan was handed over. Sibir was less fortunate and lost fully half their land to our victorious troops.
Next: Notice the other peace treaty in that screenie...
Shaybani however seems to have other ideas...
I was as surprised as you are, i can tell you
This declaration of war brought us into conflict with Sibir and the Golden Horde as well as Nogai, and despite Shaybani's excellent leadership this was a tough fight, with the Uzbek army being very much numerically inferior to the combined enemy forces.
The grand plan of using Shaybani's main army to sweep away all resistance was a good one in theory, unfortunately we simply did not have enough troops, or enough provinces in which to build new ones to take an area once it had been pacified.
This led to several years of campaigning, the further north we went the nastier winter hit our seiging troops and the thicker and faster Golden Horde expeditionary forces came to screw up our well laid plans.
Still eventually we forced a battle in Nogai's capital that pretty comprehensively crushed the remnants of Nogai's army along with much of Sibirs and plenty of Hordish troops as well presumably.
Unfortunately as things started to look better a series of unfortunate events hit, firstly Astrakhan was now viewed as a realistic goal by some power hungry minds in Shaybani's council of war (i.e Shaybani), secondly Ak Konylu joined in the war against us and sent a large army under their best general to defend the aforementioned Astrakhan
And lastly, our weak and fearful allies, Kara Konylu decided that the Timurid Empire was in need of a good kicking courtesy of Shaybani and his merry hordes....
Still there was a silver lining to his if one could but look hard enough, afterall if we are surrounded by enemies that only means we can expand that much faster.
Less jingoistically, war with the large Timurid Empire was not as bad as it seemed, they were suffering from a series of civil rebellions and there border with us was almost entirely unfortified and Shaybani himself was already at the border on one of his rebel butchering sessions.
As such the war was swift and surgical, after all if the Timirs managed to wrest control of any sizeable part of their country from rebels then we could be in for a nasty 3 front war. Shaybani's maruaders streamed into the Timir heartland whilst some hastily assembled levies took any fortified provinces rightfully ours along the border.
With a year the Shah had folded to our modest demands of a single province and the army could be sent back north to finish the petty Khanates, who had begun to push back our northern forces, Nogai meanwhile was finished, forced into (I think) vassalge as well as losing all but their capital.
With half of Uzbek's enemies lying prone at our feet the remainder felt our wrath so hard they still soil themselves thinking about it, Sarai the capital of the Golden Horde was sacked no less than 3 times before Astrakhan was handed over. Sibir was less fortunate and lost fully half their land to our victorious troops.
Next: Notice the other peace treaty in that screenie...
You mean the Karamanids winning a war against the OE, right?
Hehe, you're progressing in a very satisfying way. Was it really as easy as it seems (well, except maybe for the 2:1 advantage the Ak Koyunlu had in Astrakhan), or...?
Hehe, you're progressing in a very satisfying way. Was it really as easy as it seems (well, except maybe for the 2:1 advantage the Ak Koyunlu had in Astrakhan), or...?
No, check the years that war took me, a heck of a long time as you can see, i just didn't take any screenshots of those years and can't remember the exact tactically brilliant ( ) steps i used to beat them
) steps i used to beat them
Congratulations are in order I think...nice conquests.
Must also say, that I find ur writing...well...quite good
Must also say, that I find ur writing...well...quite good
That's one hell of a long war. But, there is only one Horde, and it's up to you to show them who's boss!
Shaybani quickly came to understand that to catapult the Uzbeks up the ranks of power, opportunities must be taken with ruthless efficiency.
The near annihilation of the Ottoman Empire by Karaman opened up one of these pivotal decisions, Bayezid II Sultan of the Sublime Porte now controlled the single rich and strategic province of Thrace in the midst of the rising Karamid storm. He was to all intents and purposes, defenceless.
So, leaving the country in the able hands of one of his subordinates Shaybani took 10,000 horse and 8,000 foot through the mountains of Armenia and Anatolia with the consent on the Emir of Karaman and whoever rules the murderous bandits called the Ak Konylu. Some expressed concern over how easily Karaman was persuaded, thinking they perhaps had an ulterior motive.
They did of course, but for the moment all was go for plan Righteous Thunder
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It was a close run thing, especially as a loss here would most likely entail the complete and utter annihilation of the army and even Shaybani himself. But the Uzbek cavalry had been trained and hardened on the battlefield of victory in the Steppes whereas the Ottoman army was only what could be levied from Istanbul itself, its once glorious army lying on the battlefields of Anatolia, beaten by Karaman and Skanderbeg.
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The death knell of the Ottoman Empire was not terribly surprising, but the man to finish the deam of Osman was. Rumors of another Timur or even another Genghis were circulating the great palaces of Rome and Vienna.
More pragmatically the annexation of the Empire gave the Uzbeks a pleasant surprise in the form of a working fleet
Unfortunately back in the motherland the loyal but ineffective Haidar Sultan had managed to let the Khazaks break their vassalage to the one true Horde, forcing Shaybani to travel back to his capital with all haste.
But such insolence had to be let go this time, as the Karamids revealed their true aim, declaring war on Shaybani to take away the grand prize of Istanbul.
As you can see, the war did not begin on a good footing for us, Shaybani was still in Uzbekistan proper and our leaderless army was outnumbered about 6 to 1. However we did have an excellent strategic advantage in the form of our newly crewed fleet, blockading the crossings of the Bosphorus and isolating the two halves of the enemies country.
And of course, we have Shaybani and his new army beginning preparations for an attack on Anatolia proper.
Karaman never stood a chance, Shaybani's army of 20,000 overran the anatolian mountains like a flood, against almost no opposition with most of the enemy armies still stuck in mainland Europe. A fierce battle on the plains of Smyra destroyed the entirety of the Karamid army as Karaman itself fell to a quick, easy siege. The valiant actions of the Istanbul garrision also kept an army nearly 4 times its original strength at bay, meaning not a single Uzbek city fell in this war.
Peace was swift in coming after this, Karaman surrendering Smyra and Anatolia, effectively spelling the end of their days as an Empire as they were cut in half and relegated to what were once their border regions.
But Shaybani was not all about war and killing, he also sponsored new settlements on the frontier and started up a trading station in India to spread Uzbek's influence beyond that of a marauding horde, rightly or wrongly depending on your viewpoint.
Up Next: Shaybani finds Allah
The near annihilation of the Ottoman Empire by Karaman opened up one of these pivotal decisions, Bayezid II Sultan of the Sublime Porte now controlled the single rich and strategic province of Thrace in the midst of the rising Karamid storm. He was to all intents and purposes, defenceless.
So, leaving the country in the able hands of one of his subordinates Shaybani took 10,000 horse and 8,000 foot through the mountains of Armenia and Anatolia with the consent on the Emir of Karaman and whoever rules the murderous bandits called the Ak Konylu. Some expressed concern over how easily Karaman was persuaded, thinking they perhaps had an ulterior motive.
They did of course, but for the moment all was go for plan Righteous Thunder
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It was a close run thing, especially as a loss here would most likely entail the complete and utter annihilation of the army and even Shaybani himself. But the Uzbek cavalry had been trained and hardened on the battlefield of victory in the Steppes whereas the Ottoman army was only what could be levied from Istanbul itself, its once glorious army lying on the battlefields of Anatolia, beaten by Karaman and Skanderbeg.
[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2770/uzbeksiegeistanbulev7.jpg
The death knell of the Ottoman Empire was not terribly surprising, but the man to finish the deam of Osman was. Rumors of another Timur or even another Genghis were circulating the great palaces of Rome and Vienna.
More pragmatically the annexation of the Empire gave the Uzbeks a pleasant surprise in the form of a working fleet
Unfortunately back in the motherland the loyal but ineffective Haidar Sultan had managed to let the Khazaks break their vassalage to the one true Horde, forcing Shaybani to travel back to his capital with all haste.
But such insolence had to be let go this time, as the Karamids revealed their true aim, declaring war on Shaybani to take away the grand prize of Istanbul.
As you can see, the war did not begin on a good footing for us, Shaybani was still in Uzbekistan proper and our leaderless army was outnumbered about 6 to 1. However we did have an excellent strategic advantage in the form of our newly crewed fleet, blockading the crossings of the Bosphorus and isolating the two halves of the enemies country.
And of course, we have Shaybani and his new army beginning preparations for an attack on Anatolia proper.
Karaman never stood a chance, Shaybani's army of 20,000 overran the anatolian mountains like a flood, against almost no opposition with most of the enemy armies still stuck in mainland Europe. A fierce battle on the plains of Smyra destroyed the entirety of the Karamid army as Karaman itself fell to a quick, easy siege. The valiant actions of the Istanbul garrision also kept an army nearly 4 times its original strength at bay, meaning not a single Uzbek city fell in this war.
Peace was swift in coming after this, Karaman surrendering Smyra and Anatolia, effectively spelling the end of their days as an Empire as they were cut in half and relegated to what were once their border regions.
But Shaybani was not all about war and killing, he also sponsored new settlements on the frontier and started up a trading station in India to spread Uzbek's influence beyond that of a marauding horde, rightly or wrongly depending on your viewpoint.
Up Next: Shaybani finds Allah
Good move taking Constantinople. Those Karamanids were no match for you, were they? How is your LT compared to your biggest/strongest neighbours?
Ah, I also see that Albania didn't survive despite Janszoon's cleverness... Pity.
Ah, I also see that Albania didn't survive despite Janszoon's cleverness... Pity.
Not really sure about land tech, you can see that we have LT 2, i think that everyone else around me has LT higher than mine but significantly lower than LT9.
I think i am investing in land tech for pretty much the entire game but I can't actually remember.
I think i am investing in land tech for pretty much the entire game but I can't actually remember.
The House of Osman annihilated? That's impressive. Aren't you a bit spread out though? But then again, who can stop the One True Horde!
And where do you find the time to start colonizing as well? What a surprise for Portugal and England once they arrive!
And where do you find the time to start colonizing as well? What a surprise for Portugal and England once they arrive!
Istanbul was certainly a great prize for the Uzbeks.
I really liked those sort of wars (against Karaman), where it would be over with lightning speed with great gain, Anantolia and Smyra now complete ur solid foundation in the region.
I really liked those sort of wars (against Karaman), where it would be over with lightning speed with great gain, Anantolia and Smyra now complete ur solid foundation in the region.
Lack of time, most probably... But nevertheless an update would be something we all desire .
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May I suggest something? It has been almost three months already since Dr. Bob's last appearance here... Perhaps we could just skip his turn, so that Capt. Janszoon would take Dr. Bob's starting savegame and play the Uzbek turn handsoff?
OTOH, we could PM DB about this AAR - 'cos it looks like he'd forgotten about it completely, and his last forum activity is yesterday...
OTOH, we could PM DB about this AAR - 'cos it looks like he'd forgotten about it completely, and his last forum activity is yesterday...