That's what I mean with it takes longer.
I want to. But I thinking about of changing that.
Maybe I try this out.
Milan - prevent 'The Shadow Kingdom' event
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No chance. I am not able to achieve this. Nether reign in Italy nor just preventing. I just had a promising run were I became Emperor very fast through luck. I also beat back a coalition but shortly after a conquest against the pope he excommunicated me and another coalition formed and fired. Not talking by the constant 'defend the Empire' wars. I give up on this. Maybe a better player can achieve this but I don't. Thx anyway for the tips. I learned again many thinks about EUIV through this.
I did it and took screens, and Id go one by one but found out its over one hundred... so you can check them for yourself if you want to see the progression.
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Two routes, if venice doesnt have more firepower than you, you can do your reconquest and grab treviso at the very least, to be able to grab venetia easier next time. You do want sea access, so you can make claims on the rest of venetian land and papal land as well. If you do this then you dont need to even touch anyone else. Easy game AE wise.
If venice is too storng and the ottomans dont wanna attack early. You have Mantua and Lucca, Mantua gives you adjacency to venice and ferrara, this is useful if the pope rivals them and excommunicates them before provence (or you become controller anddo it yourself), Lucca does the same for Florence. So you take full AE on ONE of them, based on whos excommunicated, and do a war to get the border with the pope. You dont need anything else but a border at minimal AE, dont grab everything... Vassalizing MIGHT be cheaper, if so, dont annex, just keep as vassal and use their claims to attack.
Go influence first for AE reduction and diplo rep, hire better relations advisor except when needing a little bit more points to ally austria france or the ottomans, then hire a diplo rep advisor (ottomans is very good for attacking venice as they should always hate each other, hungary might be useful for that reason as well, austria is not good unless they rival/hate your targets but you need their alliance so they dont get much AE from your conquests as you will need 100 relations by the end so you add the land to HRE, france likewise).
To get an important alliance (ottomans mostly) it is ok to do 600 in loans and build lots of mercs, over limit. In order to increase your military strength. But just be sure it will be enough.
When you are capped on AE, if the target is not excommunicated, release nations, you can release aquilea and urbino, i think tirol? you may get lucky and they joi the HRE (although they would join because they are afraid of the non hre guys so they cant be too weakened, unless you can get the ottomans to grab dalmatia).
If no one is excommunicated and venice is strong, sienna might be ok to get the border with the pope.
Use your diplomats to increase relations with all the big guys you may get lucky and they dont want to defend their ally because of good relations.
I took lucca, got controller, excommunicated ferrara, vassalized, keep hitting mantua/sienna for power/prestige/gold, France suicided its stacks so I stopped fighting their war and went on my own, got ottomans and hungary willing to attack venice, the defensive allies were all aroudn me so I took military access to hungarian lands and got out my land before declaring war. venice allied the pope so I got it easy on that regard as both were my targets. Boost relations with coaliton members so they dont join / let a couple years pass while in war. had to drop france and ottomans to ally austria to get to 100 relations so I could add the land to the hre.
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I've played alot as Milan and I would like to suggest this.
Why do you even want to prevent shadow kingdom?
Here is my logic, you want to conquer the entire Italian region anyways, especially the tradeprovinces, but having many opm's as vassals gives you alot of free armies. These are very responsive to following your armies. Having 2 of f.ex. Mantua, montferrat, lucca and or pisa as vassals gives you an additional 10k in 1460 for free.
If you let the shadow kingdom happen, Italy are not in the empire, and this allow you to quickly expand into the remaining areas of italy with alot less ae.
You would conquer the entire italian region anyways, even as HRE emperor with shadow kingdom prevented, so why not do it for less ae outside the empire and then readd it to the empire?
And here is another thought. If you are emperor when the shadow kingdom fires, you can LEAVE the empire for 35 prestige, and readd your land to the empire and the rest of italy. If you plan on becoming emperor as milan and decline ambrosian republic, i see only advantages with letting shadow kingdom happen.
And I highly recomend Influence, aswell as maxing out your prestige every chance you get. I was able to conquer most of northern italy except savoy, whom were my ally (I had montferrat as a vassal), albenga genoa, because ottomans warned me and they are next to genoa, treviso, verona, and friuli (I had venice) and umbria ancona urbino rome from pope, whom were my ally (I took romagna from ferrarra). I also had provance, valdstätte, bern and french comte and pisa mantua lucca as vassals.
By 1480. On Very hard. Without having a single coalition form.
The downside with this run was that I got a shitty heir and went with ambrosian republic. Had I went monarcy, I would have taken fewer vassals for being able to ally more electors.
From this point, having venice, savoy, genoa and Pope leave the HRE is only advantagous anyways cause you can eat them quicker and you get better ctrl of your tradenodes and ensure your mountain and wooden wall being supreme with more heavies than your neighbors and mountainforts longterm, allowing you to beat any opponent trying to attack you, either by naval supremacy or wiping them on your mountain forts.
In theory I would like to do a VH emperor WC run as Milan with influence/diplo --> admin --> defensive but have not gotten the desired start yet with a good earlygame combined with emperor before 1490 yet.
Why do you even want to prevent shadow kingdom?
Here is my logic, you want to conquer the entire Italian region anyways, especially the tradeprovinces, but having many opm's as vassals gives you alot of free armies. These are very responsive to following your armies. Having 2 of f.ex. Mantua, montferrat, lucca and or pisa as vassals gives you an additional 10k in 1460 for free.
If you let the shadow kingdom happen, Italy are not in the empire, and this allow you to quickly expand into the remaining areas of italy with alot less ae.
You would conquer the entire italian region anyways, even as HRE emperor with shadow kingdom prevented, so why not do it for less ae outside the empire and then readd it to the empire?
And here is another thought. If you are emperor when the shadow kingdom fires, you can LEAVE the empire for 35 prestige, and readd your land to the empire and the rest of italy. If you plan on becoming emperor as milan and decline ambrosian republic, i see only advantages with letting shadow kingdom happen.
And I highly recomend Influence, aswell as maxing out your prestige every chance you get. I was able to conquer most of northern italy except savoy, whom were my ally (I had montferrat as a vassal), albenga genoa, because ottomans warned me and they are next to genoa, treviso, verona, and friuli (I had venice) and umbria ancona urbino rome from pope, whom were my ally (I took romagna from ferrarra). I also had provance, valdstätte, bern and french comte and pisa mantua lucca as vassals.
By 1480. On Very hard. Without having a single coalition form.
The downside with this run was that I got a shitty heir and went with ambrosian republic. Had I went monarcy, I would have taken fewer vassals for being able to ally more electors.
From this point, having venice, savoy, genoa and Pope leave the HRE is only advantagous anyways cause you can eat them quicker and you get better ctrl of your tradenodes and ensure your mountain and wooden wall being supreme with more heavies than your neighbors and mountainforts longterm, allowing you to beat any opponent trying to attack you, either by naval supremacy or wiping them on your mountain forts.
In theory I would like to do a VH emperor WC run as Milan with influence/diplo --> admin --> defensive but have not gotten the desired start yet with a good earlygame combined with emperor before 1490 yet.
You obviously don't have MN-DLC because all this OPM are allied due to Trade League in my games. So no easy pickups for me and you indeed got lucky with the papa controller think. But thx anyway, I will check out you walkthrouth and try it again another time.
I know I could conquer much freely when everybody else leaves the HRE but easy pickups aren't my goal. Right now I am not interested in a ''Conquer as fast as possible' play style. I set a specific short time goal and go for it. like Milan -> Emperor -> preventing SKE. I have enough time to conquer land after I accomplished this.
How were you able to allie Ottomans and immidiently call the to arms against Venice without promising land? Oh you don't have Cossaks ether...
Edit: It's much harder with those two DLCs. I need favors to call allies in and Venice and those OPMs are most of the time allied to each other so Venice isn't beatable in the first 30 years or so.
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I dont know how that works, but Im sure theres a workaround, and just like you have a problem here you also have a bonus there. I did not get lucky with papal controller, I spent ALL my points on papal controller, so I was bound to get it once. I did give hungry and ottomans their claims on our war, so they woudl have had an interest.
Expansions are P2Wnny afaik, so I should be gimped, not boosted by lacking them.
General speaking I would agree but not in this particular case. Estates only make a difference in the long run not in short term like this. Same goes for MN. The benefits from the DLC don't effect Milan in the early game but Trade Leagues do.
http://www.eu4wiki.com/Trade_league
Venice leads a Trade League and many OPM join it. So I have to fight them all:
Bringing in Hungary and Ottomans could be a solution but I need to promise them land in advance before the start of the war (thx to cossacks). Otherwise I need to build up 10 favors and this takes forever with bigger countries.
What CB did you use against Lucca? Oh I see, conquest CB. But when did you fabricate? Two years are a little bit short for fabrication.
You got 10 extra PI spent those and you got it with that. I call that luck.
so now the ottomans do not desire venetian lands? hungary does not want dalmatia nor istria? you canot get 10 favors by 1490?
States give mp im sure of that, you can use the mana to get tech early or develop, if you develop you get cardinals, cardinals give PI, PI gives papacy. I used my papacy to vassalize ferrara ffs, you can just grab a single province to get a border with the pope for the same ae, excuses
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Not necessarily:
Ottomans are hard to ally because of a modifier which you don't have:
But I do my best!
Cant you offer dalmatia? Might ally anyway they may call you, theyll give claims based on war participation.
All those modifiers exist on my version. Told you to loan up and build mercs, that will get rid of the military strength malus, then you disband, but figure out how to call people into your wars quickly, or theyll probably break the alliance.
All those modifiers exist on my version. Told you to loan up and build mercs, that will get rid of the military strength malus, then you disband, but figure out how to call people into your wars quickly, or theyll probably break the alliance.
No but I could in another savegame. Don't know whats the deciding factor is here.
I just did anf fought Venice, Genoa and some OPMs anyway now I have 37 loans!
lol no, you loan to 40-60 to get the alliance, not to fight the war, not like it wont work, there are bankrupcy strats
I would prefer non cheesy tactics. You managed it also without it. My problem is I always fuck it up on the way. There is always a war that doesn't go like it should. I already have two dozens restarts on this. When I look at you screens it looks so easy but it isn't for me.
Ah if your problem is you lose too many battles then its just experience (I did lose a few key battles mind you, but not enough for a rage quit). Remember the Ai will always hit your siege the day it should complete, so you have to be prepared to withstand the attack. Also while you siege treviso you can stand at Trent, so they cant cross into milan quickly (and if you are sieging form the other side, Treviso and Lienz)