Merchant republic messing up my inheritance

[Maxblasto]

Hey guys !

I've just gone through this nasty bug (? maybe it's not but i still find it strange though) :

I was king of sardinia and corsica, and i decided to make the duchy of corsica a merchant republic (to have more taxes and ships early)

Problem was that when i granted the duchy to my newly appointed mayor, my eldest son was disqualified from inheritance (primogeniture, he had no landed title, i did not make him mayor of the new republic). If that's how it's supposed to be ... ok, but i find it strange that giving a title to someone with no link to my inheritance would disqualify my eldest son.

Another interesting fact is that i tried to revoque the newly created merchant republic, but revocation was not possible anymore. The game just said 'this title is not revocable'.

If someone could detail the exact mechanics that makes this possible ?

I tend to often create merchant republics for extra money and i dont want this situation happening again

Thanks in advance.

 

[BuddyLove]

Did he become a Patrician?

The way to avoid that is that no house can have more than one family palace, so by making an uncle or brother the first Done (grand prince) it won't ever try to make someone from your family a Patrician for the new houses when it makes them.

 

[Maxblasto]

none of my family members where part of the republic, my heir was a count with feudal government i just did the 'invite noble to court' decision to get a court member and placed him as head of the newly created merchant republic

 

[Brian Bóroimhe]

none of my family members where part of the republic, my heir was a count with feudal government i just did the 'invite noble to court' decision to get a court member and placed him as head of the newly created merchant republic

Is he a count under the merchant republic, or your direct vassal still?

Also, the game recalculates succession when you reload, it's an obvious one you've mostly like done, but you did try just close& reload right?

 

[Maxblasto]

The game's in iron man, so i cant reroll my save.
When i close the game and reload at the point where i am, the succession issue is still there.

My heir is count of mayorca, where my merchant republic's in corsica, they have absolutely no relations except for being part of my country

And anyhow this doesnt give me the explanation as for why my merchant republic's title is not revocable. I feel as if my son's part of the republic and not both at the same time. he's not even in the patrician families of the republic and he's not the official heir of the republic.

I really am confused about this one ...

 

[Maxblasto]

Is he a count under the merchant republic, or your direct vassal still?

And to add to that, if he was a feudal count under the new merchant republic i would find it strange that he would change government type, given he had nothing to do with the creation of the republic

 

[Brian Bóroimhe]

My heir is count of mayorca, where my merchant republic's in corsica, they have absolutely no relations except for being part of my country

What I meant is, when you click on your son's character page, who is shown as his direct liege, you, or the merchant republic?

Either way, it probably shouldn't have changed who you're heir was, but if he's now a vassal of your vassal republic then that could be the source the bug.

You should link your game and make a report in the bugs subforum (visable when you link your games)

And anyhow this doesnt give me the explanation as for why my merchant republic's title is not revocable.

When you give a title out you can't revoke it again within first year, could be why if you haven't allowed enough time to pass.

 

[BuddyLove]

No, if he's a Feudal count he's not eligible to inherit a MR because he's a noble and only burghers can inherit republics.

 

[JonathanOfArc]

Are you still on the same date you created the republic? Even beyond just reloading the game, let a few days pass. Sometimes it can just take a few days for things to get reorganized. Speed through a year and see if things work themselves out. If not after a year, then it's definitely a problem.
You can upload screen shots too. Not sure that would help but maybe there's something you're overlooking.

 

[Maxblasto]

When you give a title out you can't revoke it again within first year, could be why if you haven't allowed enough time to pass.

I understand this case, though the game would say 'title not revocable before XXX date" there it just said "title is not revocable" (like when you make the pope a vassl and you cant revoke papacy, though it would say 'you canoot revoke title of religious head' and there it was just 'title is not revocable')

as for screenshot, i must apologize there, i really thought this was not a bug, but really a thing of the game. i started out a new game, so i can t post screenshots. Though the thing already happened when i went to get the 'samrat chakravatin' achievment (conquer all india and create the empire of india) and it nearly cost me the game there too, cause i only had one son.

I thought this was a mechanic when you created your own republics and i wanted to avoid that happening again. If it really is a bug and it happens again i will remember to take the screenshots.

thanks for the answers though

 

[Duskwave]

I believe the ducal title of an MR can't be usurped or revoked (so as to completely destroy it as an MR) unless you have a strong claim or the Doge is a traitor and you're entitled to revoke his titles for it. (If they're outside your realm, I think you can only usurp if you have all its de jure lands. Obviously if it's a titular duchy that doesn't work either, part of why using titular duchies to form MRs is popular.)