[Megathread] Victoria 3 AVX

[TehJumpingJawa]

Then you would be wrong. The Mac version does not require AVX, but has far higher minimum specs. in fact the minimum specs on Mac are the same as the recommended specs on PC. so while they technically could do a version without AVX, everyone would see decreased performance, and the people complaining would be playing slide shows.

If the game is playable without AVX on a Mac running an i5-6500, then a non-AVX build on Win10 would absolutely be playable on an X5690.

If PI are able to build the Mac version without AVX, then there really is no reason they can't do the same for Windows.
Either provide it as an optional binary that is selectable within the launcher, or provide it as a beta branch in Steam.
It'd have zero adverse effect upon the general user, and would allow those few with old CPUs to still experience the game.

 

[mightygaz]

If the game is playable without AVX on a Mac running an i5-6500, then a non-AVX build on Win10 would absolutely be playable on an X5690.

If PI are able to build the Mac version without AVX, then there really is no reason they can't do the same for Windows.
Either provide it as an optional binary that is selectable within the launcher, or provide it as a beta branch in Steam.
It'd have zero adverse effect upon the general user, and would allow those few with old CPUs to still experience the game.

Except no, there are multiple reasons why not to do that, and they have already said they wont. give it up.

 

[TehJumpingJawa]

Except no, there are multiple reasons why not to do that

Multiple!!?
So many reasons that they're not even worth mentioning!

 

[SchwarzKatze]

Is the Mac version compiled in x64 or ARM?

Edit: it's x64 according to another thread

 

[mightygaz]

If the game is playable without AVX on a Mac running an i5-6500, then a non-AVX build on Win10 would absolutely be playable on an X5690.

If PI are able to build the Mac version without AVX, then there really is no reason they can't do the same for Windows.
Either provide it as an optional binary that is selectable within the launcher, or provide it as a beta branch in Steam.
It'd have zero adverse effect upon the general user, and would allow those few with old CPUs to still experience the game.

Are you really going to tell me people using server CPU's as desktop CPU's, and CPU's that are over a decade old, are a demographic they should be caring about? I'll guarantee you the number of people in this position is far lower than you think.

They have said they wont, and i applaud them for it.

Multiple!!?
So many reasons that they're not even worth mentioning!

They have all been mentioned many times in this thread, by me, and others. I'm not repeating myself cause you have decided to take a ludicrous position.

 

[tcgoofer]

So my processor does support AVX but still crashes. So its not an AVX requirement its an AVX2, which is not listed in the minimums.

 

[mightygaz]

So my processor does support AVX but still crashes. So its not an AVX requirement its an AVX2, which is not listed in the minimums.

What CPU do you have? and what do you mean by crashing? If your issue was AVX, it wouldn't start.

 

[tcgoofer]

What CPU do you have? and what do you mean by crashing? If your issue was AVX, it wouldn't start.

I am able to open the game, go through the menu options but if I select a preset tutorial campaign or select a nation within the sandbox startup, thats when the game crashes. I have submitted the ticket several times but have been posting on here hoping for a response.

Mac OS: Big Sur 11.7
Processor: 2.6 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
Memory: 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2 GB

According to Intel, it has AVX support

 

[Engram]

I am able to open the game, go through the menu options but if I select a preset tutorial campaign or select a nation within the sandbox startup, thats when the game crashes. I have submitted the ticket several times but have been posting on here hoping for a response.

Mac OS: Big Sur 11.7
Processor: 2.6 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
Memory: 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2 GB

According to Intel, it has AVX support

It would be more helpful to look at the game log files to see what might be causing the problem.

 

[mightygaz]

I am able to open the game, go through the menu options but if I select a preset tutorial campaign or select a nation within the sandbox startup, thats when the game crashes. I have submitted the ticket several times but have been posting on here hoping for a response.

Mac OS: Big Sur 11.7
Processor: 2.6 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
Memory: 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2 GB

According to Intel, it has AVX support

Your issue is 100% not related to the AVX requirement. the Mac version does not use AVX at all.

 

[tcgoofer]

It would be more helpful to look at the game log files to see what might be causing the problem.

Does any of this help? Thank you!!

This is in my error log
[06:16:55][gfx_vk_master_context.cpp:201]: Wanted extension 'VK_KHR_buffer_device_address' not supported
[06:18:08][gfx_vk_pipeline.cpp:231]: Failed creating graphics pipeline

End of my debug log says this
[06:17:39][initializefrombookmark.cpp:2004]: Running Gamestate Generator: CGSG_UpdateParties
[06:17:39][initializefrombookmark.cpp:2004]: Running Gamestate Generator: CGSG_ValidateDiplomaticSetup
[06:17:39][gamestate.cpp:259]: Destructing gamestate after 6.676500 s.
[06:17:46][jomini_mapobject_manager.cpp:3071]: CMapObjectManager::GetVisibleObjects: invalid camera index 0 requested.
[06:18:08][gfx_vk_master_context.cpp:104]: Could not parse game version, or game version not present! Defaulting to 1.0.0
[06:18:08][gfx_vk_master_context.cpp:104]: Could not parse game version, or game version not present! Defaulting to 1.0.0
[06:18:08][gfx_vk_master_context.cpp:104]: Could not parse game version, or game version not present! Defaulting to 1.0.0
[06:18:08][gfx_vk_master_context.cpp:104]: Could not parse game version, or game version not present! Defaulting to 1.0.0

Exception.txt
Application: Victoria 3
Version: 1.0.5
Date/Time: 2022-11-04 06:18:08

Caught signal 11 (SIGSEGV)

Original Stack Trace:
2 ??? 0x00000000000003eb 0x0 + 1003
3 victoria3 0x0000000106799885 _ZN19CGfxVKRenderContext20DrawIndexedInstancedEjjjjj + 37
4 victoria3 0x00000001067d10cf _ZN17CGfxRenderContext20DrawIndexedInstancedEjjjjj + 79
5 victoria3 0x00000001064a83cb _ZN8NPdxMesh17CMeshRendererBase13DrawInstancedINS_7NDetail22SShadowObjectPredicateEEEvRKNS2_22SInstancedDrawCallDataERKNS2_16SDrawDataBuffersERNS0_14SGpuBufferDataERNS_10SDrawStateERKT_ + 171
6 victoria3 0x000000010643c068 _ZN8NPdxMesh17CMeshRendererBase14RenderBaseImplERK15SRenderBucketIdR14SPdxNamedIndexI20PdxMeshSubPass_Type_E + 296
7 victoria3 0x0000000106440273 _ZN12CPdxGraphics24RenderTransparentBucketsERK15SRenderBucketId + 35
8 victoria3 0x00000001057ee09c _ZN16CPortraitManager20RenderQueuedPortraitERNS_24SQueuedCharacterPortraitE + 876
9 victoria3 0x00000001057ed72b _ZN16CPortraitManager6RenderEv + 587
10 victoria3 0x0000000105e3e93a _ZN14NPdxSubsystems6RenderER13CContextOwner + 74
11 victoria3 0x00000001067d44ad _ZN16CGfxRenderThread3RunEv + 253
12 victoria3 0x00000001067d4229 _ZN16CGfxRenderThread3RunEPv + 9
13 victoria3 0x00000001069446c3 _ZN10CPdxThread3RunEPv + 35
14 victoria3 0x00000001069440b6 _ZN38unity_0a5670140585bad591d2ab775c751cca10ThreadFuncEPFPvS0_ES0_PKc + 86
15 victoria3 0x00000001069b4fa3 _ZNSt3__1L14__thread_proxyINS_5tupleIJNS_10unique_ptrINS_15__thread_structENS_14default_deleteIS3_EEEEPDoFPvPFS7_S7_ES7_PKcES9_S7_SB_EEEEES7_S7_ + 51
16 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff2045d8fc _pthread_start + 224
17 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff20459443 thread_start + 15

Demangled Stack Trace:
2 ??? 0x00000000000003eb 0x0 + 1003
3 victoria3 0x0000000106799885 CGfxVKRenderContext:rawIndexedInstanced(unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int) + 37
4 victoria3 0x00000001067d10cf CGfxRenderContext:rawIndexedInstanced(unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int) + 79
5 victoria3 0x00000001064a83cb void NPdxMesh::CMeshRendererBase:rawInstanced<NPdxMesh::NDetail::SShadowObjectPredicate>(NPdxMesh::NDetail::SInstancedDrawCallData const&, NPdxMesh::NDetail::SDrawDataBuffers const&, NPdxMesh::CMeshRendererBase::SGpuBufferData&, NPdxMesh::SDrawState&, NPdxMesh::NDetail::SShadowObjectPredicate const&) + 171
6 victoria3 0x000000010643c068 NPdxMesh::CMeshRendererBase::RenderBaseImpl(SRenderBucketId const&, SPdxNamedIndex<PdxMeshSubPass_Type_>&) + 296
7 victoria3 0x0000000106440273 CPdxGraphics::RenderTransparentBuckets(SRenderBucketId const&) + 35
8 victoria3 0x00000001057ee09c CPortraitManager::RenderQueuedPortrait(CPortraitManager::SQueuedCharacterPortrait&) + 876
9 victoria3 0x00000001057ed72b CPortraitManager::Render() + 587
10 victoria3 0x0000000105e3e93a NPdxSubsystems::Render(CContextOwner&) + 74
11 victoria3 0x00000001067d44ad CGfxRenderThread::Run() + 253
12 victoria3 0x00000001067d4229 CGfxRenderThread::Run(void*) + 9
13 victoria3 0x00000001069446c3 CPdxThread::Run(void*) + 35
14 victoria3 0x00000001069440b6 unity_0a5670140585bad591d2ab775c751cca::ThreadFunc(void* (*)(void*), void*, char const*) + 86
15 victoria3 0x00000001069b4fa3 void* std::__1::__thread_proxy<std::__1::tuple<std::__1::unique_ptr<std::__1::__thread_struct, std::__1::default_delete<std::__1::__thread_struct> >, void* (*)(void* (*)(void*), void*, char const*) noexcept, void* (*)(void*), void*, char const*> >(void*) + 51
16 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff2045d8fc _pthread_start () + 224
17 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff20459443 thread_start + 15

 

[Brynjar]

Does any of this help? Thank you!!

Spoiler

This is in my error log
[06:16:55][gfx_vk_master_context.cpp:201]: Wanted extension 'VK_KHR_buffer_device_address' not supported
[06:18:08][gfx_vk_pipeline.cpp:231]: Failed creating graphics pipeline

End of my debug log says this
[06:17:39][initializefrombookmark.cpp:2004]: Running Gamestate Generator: CGSG_UpdateParties
[06:17:39][initializefrombookmark.cpp:2004]: Running Gamestate Generator: CGSG_ValidateDiplomaticSetup
[06:17:39][gamestate.cpp:259]: Destructing gamestate after 6.676500 s.
[06:17:46][jomini_mapobject_manager.cpp:3071]: CMapObjectManager::GetVisibleObjects: invalid camera index 0 requested.
[06:18:08][gfx_vk_master_context.cpp:104]: Could not parse game version, or game version not present! Defaulting to 1.0.0
[06:18:08][gfx_vk_master_context.cpp:104]: Could not parse game version, or game version not present! Defaulting to 1.0.0
[06:18:08][gfx_vk_master_context.cpp:104]: Could not parse game version, or game version not present! Defaulting to 1.0.0
[06:18:08][gfx_vk_master_context.cpp:104]: Could not parse game version, or game version not present! Defaulting to 1.0.0

Exception.txt
Application: Victoria 3
Version: 1.0.5
Date/Time: 2022-11-04 06:18:08

Caught signal 11 (SIGSEGV)

Original Stack Trace:
2 ??? 0x00000000000003eb 0x0 + 1003
3 victoria3 0x0000000106799885 _ZN19CGfxVKRenderContext20DrawIndexedInstancedEjjjjj + 37
4 victoria3 0x00000001067d10cf _ZN17CGfxRenderContext20DrawIndexedInstancedEjjjjj + 79
5 victoria3 0x00000001064a83cb _ZN8NPdxMesh17CMeshRendererBase13DrawInstancedINS_7NDetail22SShadowObjectPredicateEEEvRKNS2_22SInstancedDrawCallDataERKNS2_16SDrawDataBuffersERNS0_14SGpuBufferDataERNS_10SDrawStateERKT_ + 171
6 victoria3 0x000000010643c068 _ZN8NPdxMesh17CMeshRendererBase14RenderBaseImplERK15SRenderBucketIdR14SPdxNamedIndexI20PdxMeshSubPass_Type_E + 296
7 victoria3 0x0000000106440273 _ZN12CPdxGraphics24RenderTransparentBucketsERK15SRenderBucketId + 35
8 victoria3 0x00000001057ee09c _ZN16CPortraitManager20RenderQueuedPortraitERNS_24SQueuedCharacterPortraitE + 876
9 victoria3 0x00000001057ed72b _ZN16CPortraitManager6RenderEv + 587
10 victoria3 0x0000000105e3e93a _ZN14NPdxSubsystems6RenderER13CContextOwner + 74
11 victoria3 0x00000001067d44ad _ZN16CGfxRenderThread3RunEv + 253
12 victoria3 0x00000001067d4229 _ZN16CGfxRenderThread3RunEPv + 9
13 victoria3 0x00000001069446c3 _ZN10CPdxThread3RunEPv + 35
14 victoria3 0x00000001069440b6 _ZN38unity_0a5670140585bad591d2ab775c751cca10ThreadFuncEPFPvS0_ES0_PKc + 86
15 victoria3 0x00000001069b4fa3 _ZNSt3__1L14__thread_proxyINS_5tupleIJNS_10unique_ptrINS_15__thread_structENS_14default_deleteIS3_EEEEPDoFPvPFS7_S7_ES7_PKcES9_S7_SB_EEEEES7_S7_ + 51
16 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff2045d8fc _pthread_start + 224
17 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff20459443 thread_start + 15

Demangled Stack Trace:
2 ??? 0x00000000000003eb 0x0 + 1003
3 victoria3 0x0000000106799885 CGfxVKRenderContext:rawIndexedInstanced(unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int) + 37
4 victoria3 0x00000001067d10cf CGfxRenderContext:rawIndexedInstanced(unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int) + 79
5 victoria3 0x00000001064a83cb void NPdxMesh::CMeshRendererBase:rawInstanced<NPdxMesh::NDetail::SShadowObjectPredicate>(NPdxMesh::NDetail::SInstancedDrawCallData const&, NPdxMesh::NDetail::SDrawDataBuffers const&, NPdxMesh::CMeshRendererBase::SGpuBufferData&, NPdxMesh::SDrawState&, NPdxMesh::NDetail::SShadowObjectPredicate const&) + 171
6 victoria3 0x000000010643c068 NPdxMesh::CMeshRendererBase::RenderBaseImpl(SRenderBucketId const&, SPdxNamedIndex<PdxMeshSubPass_Type_>&) + 296
7 victoria3 0x0000000106440273 CPdxGraphics::RenderTransparentBuckets(SRenderBucketId const&) + 35
8 victoria3 0x00000001057ee09c CPortraitManager::RenderQueuedPortrait(CPortraitManager::SQueuedCharacterPortrait&) + 876
9 victoria3 0x00000001057ed72b CPortraitManager::Render() + 587
10 victoria3 0x0000000105e3e93a NPdxSubsystems::Render(CContextOwner&) + 74
11 victoria3 0x00000001067d44ad CGfxRenderThread::Run() + 253
12 victoria3 0x00000001067d4229 CGfxRenderThread::Run(void*) + 9
13 victoria3 0x00000001069446c3 CPdxThread::Run(void*) + 35
14 victoria3 0x00000001069440b6 unity_0a5670140585bad591d2ab775c751cca::ThreadFunc(void* (*)(void*), void*, char const*) + 86
15 victoria3 0x00000001069b4fa3 void* std::__1::__thread_proxy<std::__1::tuple<std::__1::unique_ptr<std::__1::__thread_struct, std::__1::default_delete<std::__1::__thread_struct> >, void* (*)(void* (*)(void*), void*, char const*) noexcept, void* (*)(void*), void*, char const*> >(void*) + 51
16 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff2045d8fc _pthread_start () + 224
17 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff20459443 thread_start + 15

Your gpu appears to be well below the minimum requirement. Nothing to do with avx. I would try to get a refund from steam before it is too late (unless it already is)

 

[SchwarzKatze]

This^
Mac minimum requirement vs your GPU:

UserBenchmark: AMD R9 380 vs Nvidia GeForce GT 750M

 

[Lofeu]

funny i have a Pentium N5030 4c.4t its a 2019 CPU and i got no Avx suport

 

[kawamuratc]

funny i have a Pentium N5030 4c.4t its a 2019 CPU and i got no Avx suport

That’s not too surprising.

There are lots of different CPUs designed for different uses. Your CPU is likely for light office work or answering emails or the like.

A CPU like that has no reason to come with AVX, since the CPU is designed for a pretty light load. That’s why it’s inexpensive (relatively speaking) and has such low power requirements.

Unfortunately, that CPU isn’t very good for gaming unless you’re only looking to play older games.