Megathread : Nations That Should Be In Victoria 2

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Please, for the love of God, have Taiping Tianguo as a nation. Since it existed in real life I'm not sure it should be under Hypothetical Nations, but it was just as much of a real nation as CSA was, which is represented very well in V1.

The entire Taiping rebellion deserves so much more attention than it got in Vicky, considering it was by far the biggest war of the period.

 

[jamhaw]

I think most countrys should have some generic red/white version so you can simulate civil war in many more countrys. it could have been france, or sweden or spain that had it instead of russia and finland. and a event when one side lose cousing white or red annexing the other without gaining much badboy and, if it is not offending any rule, that stuff finnish white did to finnish red and russian reds did after the civil war. you know, affecting pop size and all...

I agree, like in Rome for example, non sessecionist civil wars (the CSA being seccesionist would be it's own normal nation) like the Carlist Wars or the Russian Civil war or some civil war which just ends up happening could be handled like in Rome.

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Please, for the love of God, have Taiping Tianguo as a nation. Since it existed in real life I'm not sure it should be under Hypothetical Nations, but it was just as much of a real nation as CSA was, which is represented very well in V1.

The entire Taiping rebellion deserves so much more attention than it got in Vicky, considering it was by far the biggest war of the period.

Plus it would be cool to play as Taiping and make the China Sea a Taiping pool, a hyurk hyurk hyurk.

I agree, like in Rome for example, non sessecionist civil wars (the CSA being seccesionist would be it's own normal nation) like the Carlist Wars or the Russian Civil war or some civil war which just ends up happening could be handled like in Rome.

Yes, absolutely.

All we need is a Rome-style civil war tag for each nation; the game would determine the nature of the revolt and flag and name the rebelling faction accordingly.

 

[Solomaxwell6]

I wanna see a small one province Feudum Acinganorum in Corfu...

 

[Niptium]

In North America, you at least need 9 countries as they could all have existed if history had taken a different path at some point :

• USA, Canada, Mexico, the obvious.
• Texas, Québec (Lower Canada) revolted in 1837-38, Upper Canada (Ontario) again in 1837-38, CSA and the Métis nation of the Red River in Manitoba who revolted in 1869
• Nova Scotia/Maritimes country who was so pissed off at the Confederation of 1867 that they elected a set of separatist representants. In the end, they got a big fat no from London and that settled it.

 

[unmerged(91061)]

My suggestions:
-A Yugoslavia ahead of the 1914 scenario. Could be a "decision" any West-slavic nation can make.
-Kurdistan
-Gran Columbia
-South Africa should be a bit more malleable to include Lesotho & Swaziland as cores. Maybe Southern Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. (Speaking of which, some event/decision could exist regarding the Cape to Cairo railway)
-Australia/New Zealand union. Australiasia? United Australia? New Zealand very nearly joined Australia but New Zealand's Treaty of Waitangi clashed with Australian White Australia policy. This could be an interesting event chain, do they ignore the Treaty of Waitangi, generating BB & militancy, scrap the White Australia Policy, raising Aboriginal Australian consciouness through the roof & altering many political party's policies away from jingoism/residence. IF the WAP is scrapped, THEN another decision could arise around incorporating Papua New Guinea & Pacific Islands into Australia, as the incorporation of a majority "black" area was prohibited by the WAP. Other eventualities include New Zealand without the ToW being incorporated into Australia no fuss, and Australia incorporating PNG et al despite having the WAP in a more "oppressive" policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Waitangi

 

[ollobrains]

following on from the australia-nz thing. There was talk before federation of western australia remaining its own country while the east states would have formed australia ( if certain modifiers are met)
Each of the colonies staying as their own entities ( australian federation fails to fire)

 

[Tunch Khan]

- Kingdom of Jerusalem;
- Principality of Antioch;
- County of Edessa
- County of Tripoli;
- Kingdom of Cyprus;
- Knights Templar;
- Knights of Rhodes;
- Israel;
- Empire of Trebizond;
- Republic of Genoa;
- Republic of Venice;
- Principality of Theodoro;
- Karaman;
- Macedonian Republic;

 

[RedRalphWiggum]

Any of the nations that were ever floated as ideas in peace treaties, even if they didnt end up getting adopted. I'm thinking a greater Armenia, etc...

 

[Stauffenberg13]

Not any more. No such law exist anymore.

It seems you're right. Apparently article 301 was fixed last year. My bad.

 

[Verenti]

In North America, you at least need 9 countries as they could all have existed if history had taken a different path at some point :

• USA, Canada, Mexico, the obvious.
• Texas, Québec (Lower Canada) revolted in 1837-38, Upper Canada (Ontario) again in 1837-38, CSA and the Métis nation of the Red River in Manitoba who revolted in 1869
  [*]Nova Scotia/Maritimes country who was so pissed off at the Confederation of 1867 that they elected a set of separatist representants. In the end, they got a big fat no from London and that settled it.

God, I love being a Nova Scotian. A "country" where Royalist Loyalty quashed separtist sentiment.

But Newfoundland and (Britisch) Columbia, Newfoundland, who became its own dominion and Britisch Columbia, who were seriously considering the prospect, if the Canadians couldn't build a transcontinental railway. Maybe they were considering to join the Americans, I can't remember, it was 8th grade history class. But I do like how its Columbia in Vicky, with the potential for the American part to be added in.

 

[ZmajOgnjeniVuk]

My suggestions:
-A Yugoslavia ahead of the 1914 scenario. Could be a "decision" any West-slavic nation can make.

You are aware of the fact that Yugoslavia was created by South Slavs, right?

 

[yourworstnightm]

Its called Russia

That, or Yugoslavia. Both in Vicky/Vicky R.

 

[Niptium]

God, I love being a Nova Scotian. A "country" where Royalist Loyalty quashed separtist sentiment.

Not to rain on your parade Verenti BUT, they got a no from London but to sweeten the deal, they were bought off with positions and money. So much so for loyalists sentiments

 

[Romanfe]

Eurocentrism itt

Id like to see less attention be paid at silly little european one province places and more paid to the entire part of the world that didnt even have nations in it before OHGamer tried to model it in VIP. ANd even today don't have proper modeling of ethnicities.

North America, south america, and especially africa.

 

[Earl Uhtred]

That, though, was IMO the worst feature of the otherwise excellent VIP. Unless they come up with a meaningfully different experience for tribal nations, one that doesn't just involve putting them on the same basis as European states but hamstringing them to buggery, I would rather have subsaharan Africa and the American west a 'blank canvas' than parcelled up into wholly ahistorical nation states which have to be slowly eroded through some excruciating event chain.

 

[vladimir]

In Asia:

Formosan Republilc

in Pacific:

Kingdom of Tonga

Kingdom of Fiji

Kingdom of Rarotonga

Kingdom of Tahiti

Kingdom of Samoa

Kingdom of Abemama (in Kiribati)

 

[Cinéad IV]

Here's the list I posted on terranova for people to consider. Hopefully, this covers most of the historic states which existed in the Victoria period. These haven't been included in VIP for paucity of tags, but hopefully a hypothetical Vicky 2 would include them from the beginning.

Native States


1 Miskito
2 Ilorin
3 Ibadan
4 Lagos
5 Air
6 Rwanda
7 Burundi
8 Bunyoro
9 Swaziland
10 Bhopal
11 Kutch
12 Indore
13 Jodhpur
14 Jaisalmer
15 Bikaner
16 Jaipur
17 Kargil
18 Orissa
19 Argentine Revolutionaries
20 Ulster
21 Trieste
22 Circassia
23 Bonny
24 Calabar
25 Itsekiri
26 Abeokuta
27 Brass
28 Tibesti
29 Mahra
30 Ahaggar
31 Kolhapur
32 Cochin
33 Manipur
34 Makran
35 Mewar
36 Bastar
37 Bundelkhand
38 Shimla
39 Ladakh
40 Poznan
41 Kutai
42 Waldeck-Pyrmont
43 Bahrain
44 Qu'aiti
45 Ankole
46 Kathiri
47 Kuwait
48 Dubai
49 Qatar
50 Tigray
51 Toro
52 Futa Jallon
53 Futa Toro
54 Kaarta
55 Maldives
56 Arochukwu
57 Busoga
58 Damagaram
59 Belarus
60 Kano


Colonial States

1 Prince Edward Island
2 Kenya
3 Uganda
4 Bechuanaland
5 British Somaliland
6 North Nigeria
7 South Nigeria
8 South Rhodesia
9 Bermuda
10 Jamaica
11 Ceylon
12 Trinidad
13 British Guyana
14 British Honduras
15 Sierra Leone
16 Grenada
17 French Somaliland
18 New Caledonia
19 French Indochina
20 French West Africa
21 French Equatorial Africa
22 Tanganika
23 Kamerun
24 Namibia
25 Spanish Guinea
26 German New Guinea
27 North Rhodesia
28 Nyasaland
29 Ghana
30 Senegambia
31 Togo
32 French Guyana
33 Suriname

 

[Hardstuff]

I hope Paradox will take inspiration from VIP. Honestly, a barren Africa would be atrocious.

 

[Vacceo]

Eurocentrism itt

Id like to see less attention be paid at silly little european one province places and more paid to the entire part of the world that didnt even have nations in it before OHGamer tried to model it in VIP. ANd even today don't have proper modeling of ethnicities.

North America, south america, and especially africa.

I´d love to see the posibility of "old empires" coming back to life too. Examples? Well, the most evident is India, coming back to the times of Asoka after the 1857 uprising; but a second Khemer Empire in the SE part of the Asian continent would be cool to see too.