And this is a problem. As long as people keep on buying, neither the management nor the development see the need to not push undercooked product on the market.
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[Megathread] Leviathan Release Problems
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Is this a troll post? It doesn't matter how many bugs they fix if they introduce new ones that make it impossible to finish the game without hitting a game breaking bug.
I can understand the hoi4 dev guy, there are some messed up idiots playinh that game who live their fantasy in that game.
Here we were normal, the dlc was a joke 20 Euro to exepensive 5 for the state it was in would have been fair. Ten if it was in a perfect condition. It was more an immersion pack, could hae included the free native and what not stuff, to fill it. The new buttons are a joke and now we will have crazy mega provinces, as there is no dev limit (aka pop limit). I mean for every fix there are 2 new bugs or broken features.
Releasing a beta patch for 20 Euro deserves the backlash.
(Though I am a big fan of the new mission trees disasters the region is fun there now/ not the native and aboriginial area have not looked there jet)
Here we were normal, the dlc was a joke 20 Euro to exepensive 5 for the state it was in would have been fair. Ten if it was in a perfect condition. It was more an immersion pack, could hae included the free native and what not stuff, to fill it. The new buttons are a joke and now we will have crazy mega provinces, as there is no dev limit (aka pop limit). I mean for every fix there are 2 new bugs or broken features.
Releasing a beta patch for 20 Euro deserves the backlash.
(Though I am a big fan of the new mission trees disasters the region is fun there now/ not the native and aboriginial area have not looked there jet)
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To be frank: outside of participating in any open betas they make available, we can't. We have no control over their development process, their content design process, or their revenue model. The "tech debt" being accrued is entirely of their own making; they have made the decision to continue development on an 8 year old game with many, many coding limitations that the devs themselves have acknowledged. They could have created the next installment in the series and started fresh, but so far, they have chosen not to do so. Which is valid and understandable to some degree. However, that is their choice, and the tech debt is their responsibility. They and they alone have the power to address that.
Also, even if we can help with the tech debt to some degree, we still shouldn't do so. This is not a collaborative partnership. We're not Paradox shareholders, nor Paradox employees. We're paying customers. We have given them money in exchange for a product. Ensuring the continued functioning of said product is not, has never been, and never should be our responsibility. Modders make things on their own time and for their own edification, and players on this forum often provide feedback and suggestions. That's great, but that's also the extent of what we can and should contribute to a for-profit company that made a product we paid for.
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Hey now, expel minorities isn't useless! It serves the purpose of weakening the exploration idea group by making one of its ideas completely worthless filler.
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When I was playing, before the game corrupted my files, I didn't use concentrate development or pillaging once.
I do try and min/max things now days and it just never seemed efficient, especially pillaging in Europe where every point of AE is crucial.
I do try and min/max things now days and it just never seemed efficient, especially pillaging in Europe where every point of AE is crucial.
And that's the ultimate dream of every gaming company. Transform your product into a football manager game. Every year you update player names and pixels and sell the same product.
"Introducing our next DLC: Europa Universalis South American Missions! Play as Inca and when you build a church in your capital you get to click the mission button for permanent claims on Peru reward!"
Reminder that all these exciting types of CB exist:
Canceled Loan
Diplomatic Insult
Discovered Spy
Obscure Documents
Border Friction
Trade War
Trade Dispute
Trade Protection
Trade Conflict
Trade League Dispute
By the way, only two of these allow to take territory from the enemy.
Which one do you use to declare war?
Canceled Loan
Diplomatic Insult
Discovered Spy
Obscure Documents
Border Friction
Trade War
Trade Dispute
Trade Protection
Trade Conflict
Trade League Dispute
By the way, only two of these allow to take territory from the enemy.
Which one do you use to declare war?
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Reckon I've used 2 or possibly 3 of those ever. Usually it was because I was going to declare a no CB war and got a neat surprise that I actually did have a CB after all!
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I don’t think you understand really what it is that people find problematic about leviathan’s release. It’s not as if the game had a ton of bugs previously and people are pissed that they weren’t fixed yet. Rather, leviathan introduced a bunch of new, game-breaking bugs that make it literally impossible to play. Releasing a product that is usable is the bare minimum, and we shouldn’t be expected to pay extra to get a product that was sold to us broken fixed.
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Releasing a paid for DLC that did literally nothing but fix bugs would be a new low even after the state of 1.31
People shouldn’t have to expect to pay extra for what they’ve paid for already to function properly and as intended.
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Completely unsupported theory, but I'm under the impression Leviathan was initially supposed to be a cheaper immersion pack adding just SEA content and monuments. Then someone in management decided to make it a full-priced expansion so devs scrambled to add unbalanced and meaningless features like concentrate development and centralize state.
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it's 2021.
it's pretty disingenuous to talk about 'on the internet' as if it's somehow not real.
we're talking about something that is a crime where i am, and presumably where you are too.
The solution is to review the DLC and the base game honestly (That is, as a broken heap of garbage), to not buy (And refund if you can) any purchase, and not buy any DLC or base game at any point until at least a year after a full and satisfactory patch has been released. We need to change how Paradox thinks about things, by not rewarding this sort of scam, and by hindering their sales. The ideal situation would be to bring Leviathan sales to zero, and keep it at zero for over a year. Any subsequent DLC would also have to be zero, so Paradox realises it can't pull this kind of trick again. At that point, Paradox would have to change course, as they did with I:R, and actually deliver on their promises of tech debt, bug fixes, and design improvements.
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Chip in, get a control stock in PDX, release the game into open source, let the players work on reducing the tech debt.
That should fo it!
Seriously man, what on Earth. Is there something like Stockholm syndrome, but for gamedev?
That should fo it!
Seriously man, what on Earth. Is there something like Stockholm syndrome, but for gamedev?
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You are not really prismatic, and I am not really Kenny from South Park dressed as a samurai.
What exactly do you think is real about things on The Internet?
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