Megacorp Subjects as a Corp Overlord

[Caeric]

So here's my latest pet peeve, getting megacorp competition from subjects even from enlightened primitives.

Why is there no "non-compete" interaction for dealing with subjects? I came back recently to find that the empire I had a promising Commercial Agreement with and a Branch office on their home planet suddenly has a bunch of branch offices from one of my subjects when I was busy dealing with a war and now I can't do shit to get rid of them since I can't integrate them due to Franchising, there's not even a damn console command to take over their damn branch offices as far as I can tell?

So essentially, why is there no overlord interaction to either force them to not build branch offices in empires I have one, or second to force them to hand over their branch offices to me in that case although obviously at a cost?

 

[theBigTurnip385]

Why do you have a vassal mega corp in the first place that's silly.

Also you and all your vassals should be inside a trade federation and external diplomacy should be turned off.

 

[Druitt]

Why do you have a vassal mega corp in the first place that's silly.

Also you and all your vassals should be inside a trade federation and external diplomacy should be turned off.

Can't you also turn off external diplomacy with just vassals? Or is that unique to trade federations? Or are you saying that all members of a trade federation benefit from each other so then the vassal is less of a competitor and more of an ally?

Also, if you turn off external diplomacy, does that shut down already-existing trade agreements, or just prevent new ones? (I.e. if the vassal already had trade agreements with 5 empires, could it continue to make new branches in those 5 still?)

 

[theBigTurnip385]

Can't you also turn off external diplomacy with just vassals? Or is that unique to trade federations? Or are you saying that all members of a trade federation benefit from each other so then the vassal is less of a competitor and more of an ally?

Also, if you turn off external diplomacy, does that shut down already-existing trade agreements, or just prevent new ones? (I.e. if the vassal already had trade agreements with 5 empires, could it continue to make new branches in those 5 still?)

If you take franchising your vassals are allowed diplomacy.

How ever trade federation can limit commercial pacts to only members

You as the mega corp overlord should then be the only mega corp and the only one who can open branch offices

Now you want a criminal heritage mega corp in the game that builds branch offices everywhere and then you go to war with them and take there branch offices rinse repeat but never conquer. Saves you influence. If there isn't a criminal heritage then a normal mega corp can perform this role.

Don't vassalize other megacorps you need to conquer them break them up and release them, you need to turn them into normal empires.

A perfect galaxy has you and a rump criminal heritage mega corp in eventually you destroy them too.

Mega corps should be fanatic purifiers towards other megacorps. At the end of the day there can be only one.

 

[Caeric]

If you take franchising your vassals are allowed diplomacy.

How ever trade federation can limit commercial pacts to only members

You as the mega corp overlord should then be the only mega corp and the only one who can open branch offices

Now you want a criminal heritage mega corp in the game that builds branch offices everywhere and then you go to war with them and take there branch offices rinse repeat but never conquer. Saves you influence. If there isn't a criminal heritage then a normal mega corp can perform this role.

Don't vassalize other megacorps you need to conquer them break them up and release them, you need to turn them into normal empires.

A perfect galaxy has you and a rump criminal heritage mega corp in eventually you destroy them too.

Mega corps should be fanatic purifiers towards other megacorps. At the end of the day there can be only one.

They spawned from uplifted primitives. And I wasn't in a federation yet. I'm just so annoyed that I have no damn say as their overlord. In general branch offices have far too little interactions with the only option being the Hostile Takeover casus belli.

No matter the case, as their overlord I reckon you should be able to restrict them

 

[theBigTurnip385]

They spawned from uplifted primitives. And I wasn't in a federation yet. I'm just so annoyed that I have no damn say as their overlord. In general branch offices have far too little interactions with the only option being the Hostile Takeover casus belli

You need to release them and then conquer them and eliminate them.

This problem may get worse with the upcoming primitive patch.

It's almost a bug as the intention for megacorps is that anything spawned should not be a megacorp

 

[Druitt]

If you take franchising your vassals are allowed diplomacy.

How ever trade federation can limit commercial pacts to only members

Ah, okay, so it was with Franchising -- which I'd avoided for that reason, but maybe shouldn't have.

A perfect galaxy has you and a rump criminal heritage mega corp in eventually you destroy them too.

Mega corps should be fanatic purifiers towards other megacorps. At the end of the day there can be only one.

That was super-satisfying for me in a previous megacorp game where I was able to do a hostile takeover of a criminal megacorp and double my branches. And I should've gotten a parade from the rest of the galaxy for the crime reduction and crime protection that resulted.

I tried playing a Pacifist megacorp... yeah, not so fun. I wish you could have some kind of economic-mostly competition, but sometimes you just need to settle extra-national disagreements independently of any qualms about violence. That's why I wish there were a Can't Get My Hands Dirty kind of mechanism whereby you could fight shadow/proxy wars even though you're prohibited from directly declaring (offensive) war yourself.

 

[Caeric]

Ah, okay, so it was with Franchising -- which I'd avoided for that reason, but maybe shouldn't have.


That was super-satisfying for me in a previous megacorp game where I was able to do a hostile takeover of a criminal megacorp and double my branches. And I should've gotten a parade from the rest of the galaxy for the crime reduction and crime protection that resulted.

I tried playing a Pacifist megacorp... yeah, not so fun. I wish you could have some kind of economic-mostly competition, but sometimes you just need to settle extra-national disagreements independently of any qualms about violence. That's why I wish there were a Can't Get My Hands Dirty kind of mechanism whereby you could fight shadow/proxy wars even though you're prohibited from directly declaring (offensive) war yourself.

Absolutely, the fact that the only interaction possible with another megacorp is a Hostile Takeover war annoys me a great deal. Given that you can even trade systems I don't get why you couldn't buy and sell branch offices, or steal them via espionage or what not. Or if they are unfortunately your subject, force them to fork 'em over even if it costs loyalty and opinion or whatever.

 

[Lorenerd11]

The only way to fix this is to release the subject and then declare an Ideology war to force the empire to not be a Megacorp.

Needless to say, it's a ridiculously roundabout way of doing that.