Megacorp coops

[Skyhunteren]

It would be really cool if you as an egilatarian megacorp could take share the burdens(Share the profits) and become a coop.

 

[klopkr]

Equally cool to have a privately owned dynastic company.

Just two more authorities would go a long way.

 

[Bezborg]

It would be really cool if you as an egilatarian megacorp could take share the burdens(Share the profits) and become a coop.

But would a trade-focused cooperative be a corporation at the same time?

Could you elaborate on your concept more?

 

[Tamwin5]

But would a trade-focused cooperative be a corporation at the same time?

Could you elaborate on your concept more?

Just because a company is owned by the workers doesn't make it any less a company focused on profits.

 

[Bezborg]

Just because a company is owned by the workers doesn't make it any less a company focused on profits.

You don't think the concept of a capitalist corporation (in your own words: "focused on profit") doesn't quite click with fanatical egalitarianism?

 

[Tamwin5]

You don't think the concept of a capitalist corporation (in your own words: "focused on profit") doesn't quite click with fanatical egalitarianism?

As long as those profits are divided equally among all people, then not in slightest! It's not a common combination to be sure, but the two aren't mutually exclusive in any way.

Realistically I imagine it would just be normal egalitarianism though, since even if it shortened elections to 10 years it'd be a lot of work to overhaul the way the megacorp authority works.

 

[Bezborg]

As long as those profits are divided equally among all people, then not in slightest! It's not a common combination to be sure, but the two aren't mutually exclusive in any way.

uurrrghh... I spent a lot of time studying the theory of communism, and I can't really agree... but tbh for Stellaris, sure

 

[Tamwin5]

uurrrghh... I spent a lot of time studying the theory of communism, and I can't really agree... but tbh for Stellaris, sure

It's not communism. It's still focused on making profits for shareholders, potentially above all else. Just instead of those shareholders being mainly a few rich people, shares are evenly split by workers within the company.

 

[Bezborg]

It's not communism. It's still focused on making profits for shareholders, potentially above all else. Just instead of those shareholders being mainly a few rich people, shares are evenly split by workers within the company.

What you’re saying is communism. Workers own and benefit equally from the means of production. What do you think communism is?

You’re not an american, are you?

 

[Skyhunteren]

But would a trade-focused cooperative be a corporation at the same time?

Could you elaborate on your concept more?

I don’t think there is much to elaborate. It is just about giving Mega Corps access to a specific civic for roleplaying reasons.

It doesn’t seem gamebreaking, because as soon as you take elagatarianism you get access to Utopian living standards, which is much better for Mega Corps.

 

[Bezborg]

I don’t think there is much to elaborate. It is just about giving Mega Corps access to a specific civic for roleplaying reasons.

It doesn’t seem gamebreaking, because as soon as you take elagatarianism you get access to Utopian living standards, which is much better for Mega Corps.

On that, I fully agree

 

[GOLANX]

What you’re saying is communism. Workers own and benefit equally from the means of production. What do you think communism is?

You’re not an american, are you?

It's an application of Karl Marx's principles in the workplace, and a Democratization of the workplace. However the sharing of profits motivates each individual worker to be more productive as they will share in the benefits, Moochers can still be removed by popular vote. The Worker Coop is still motivated by profit, that profit just can't come at the cost of the wealth, health or general wellbeing of the workforce, that's the way other corporations are incintivized to do.

 

[Bezborg]

It's an application of Karl Marx's principles in the workplace, and a Democratization of the workplace. However the sharing of profits motivates each individual worker to be more productive as they will share in the benefits, Moochers can still be removed by popular vote. The Worker Coop is still motivated by profit, that profit just can't come at the cost of the wealth, health or general wellbeing of the workforce, that's the way other corporations are incintivized to do.

It’s still gibberish though, sorry. A profit-oriented organization having a purely socialist internal structure… an oxymoron. It coexists only in your mind. Simple example: the corporation needs to lay off 15% of the workforce to maintain competitivness and growth, as the point of the corporation us “profits”. But who gets laid off, because now suddenly the internal point of the corporation is the wellbeing and prosperity of all its worker-owners, on absolute eaual ground… an oxymoron.
But again, who cares, anything flies in Stellaris, so can this.

 

[GOLANX]

It’s still gibberish though, sorry. A profit-oriented organization having a purely socialist internal structure… an oxymoron. It coexists only in your mind. Simple example: the corporation needs to lay off 15% of the workforce to maintain competitivness and growth, as the point of the corporation us “profits”. But who gets laid off, because now suddenly the internal point of the corporation is the wellbeing and prosperity of all its worker-owners, on absolute eaual ground… an oxymoron.
But again, who cares, anything flies in Stellaris, so can this.

Who said it was socialist, typical American think communism and Socialism are synonyms, they are not. Socialism is an economic system in which the government owns the means of production, that's how most private corporations operate. The CEO owns the means of production, exploits the workers to maximize profits for his own personal gain.

As for the layoffs situation, the workers are not exploited and as the profits are shared they can cut wages for a long time before they need to consider layoffs, layoffs truly are a last resort and typically come with robust severance packages and the ability to rejoin easily when the market rebounds.

Worker coops do exist in the real world, including one of the largest corporations in Spain. Just because you have a hard time imagining something can exist doesn't mean it can't or doesn't.

 

[Tamwin5]

It's an application of Karl Marx's principles in the workplace, and a Democratization of the workplace. However the sharing of profits motivates each individual worker to be more productive as they will share in the benefits, Moochers can still be removed by popular vote. The Worker Coop is still motivated by profit, that profit just can't come at the cost of the wealth, health or general wellbeing of the workforce, that's the way other corporations are incintivized to do.

Technically speaking, the profits could still come at the cost of the wealth/health/general wellbeing of the workforce, just only with the workforce's approval. Well not wealth since the profits go directly back to the workers, but health certainly.