Meeting of the US BAUA Historical Division on the Subject of Earth 12082015

[Idhrendur]

Okay, sounds like a plan then. It's just a shame they didn't provide the option with turning on or off features with Conclave otherwise I would have immediately bought that DLC and it wouldn't be an issue. I'll still ask Red Templar for help when it gets to it. I also actually have the "second world" the US BAUAHD will meet. 769 start and I'm nearly to 1066.

To ask about my other question, do you know how I could give a heresy a religious head or know someone who could help?

I don't know, sorry. You can probably just ask in the modding subforum, especially if there's a "Quick Questions/Quick Answers" thread.

 

[GoukaRyuu]

1317 - 1366 Part 1​

"Good morning everyone! Today we should be finishing up the last of the Medieval European History of Earth-12082015. We should be finished at latest by lunch. This afternoon you will start on Asian, Middle Eastern, and African histories from the PoD to around 1444, where I will be stopping off. My associates that are more specialized in those areas will be taking over for those subjects."

"There are just four topics to really cover in this period of 1317 - 1366, two of which are rather interconnected. The first is the resurgence of Islam in a big way. We have seen since the PoD that various circumstances have seen the religion beat back. At the point where we are in the timeline, Islam, in this case Shia Islam, still dominates in Northern Africa from Tunisia to Egypt and the northern part of Sudan. Adherents to that faith also possess much of the interior of the Arabian Peninsula and especially the Western part including Mecca and Medina."

"Sunni Islam, in comparison, is the one much more devastated by Christianity's successes. It is the majority religion in the Caucasus, Mesopotamia, Southern Arabia or what we would think of as Oman and Yemen, Afghanistan, and the Southern part of Pakistan known as Baluchistan. Even the prestige and authority of the Sunni Caliphate had deteriorated. During this era, much like with the fall of the Ottomans in our world but several centuries later, the Caliphate is both wiped from the map and the title itself falls vacant. Part of that is due to the rise of Esma'il Maseeh."

Caliph Esma'il Maseeh I "the Anointed"

"Following the Mongol conquests in Persia, many of the Muslims fled to one of the only safe-havens available; the Pamir Mountains and Hindu Kush, in modern-day Tajikistan and Afghanistan. Up in the mountains they were able to live without forced conversion to Christianity. A number of bandit-kingdoms as well as just roving band of bandits and mercenaries made their homes in this area. Esma'il's father was a Persian from Samarkand and ended up becoming the adviser of one of these kings. Esma'il was born sometime around 1300 and, with his incredible intelligence and physical endurance, quickly caught the eye of the bandit-king."

Satellite Map of Pamir Mountains and Hindu Kush over Tajikistan and Afghanistan

"Esma'il was trained by some of the best the bandit-king had and gained a mastery in military affairs. During a battle soon after he had come of age, the bandit-king was killed but Esma'il had managed to turn the tides and gain victory. This won him the loyalty of the men under his command and the previous bandit-king's children were quickly disposed off so that Esma'il could take power. Much like Genghis Khan, Esma'il, through both diplomacy and military engagements, was able to gather all the dispossessed people residing in the mountains under his banner."

"Esma'il had heard much of the lands outside the mountains from his father and others. He also heard of the problems Islam faced. Given his gifts and the large amount of men he had under his command, he felt he had been chosen by God to change Islam's current fortunes. His name, the Persian version of Ishmael, means "God has Heard." Surely that meant God had heard the trials and tribulations of his people. Esma'il struck out not long before his thirtieth birthday. After a lightening fast war much of the area of our modern-day Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan was under his control. The Mongols themselves had been beaten back."

"Soon after this conquest, Esma'il held a great ceremony in Samarkand, which would be his capital. He proclaimed that there would be more conquests to reestablish the greatness that was the religion of Muhammad. He proclaimed himself the true successor of Muhammad and had himself anointed with holy oils by his Imam. It would be this act that gives him his regnal nickname and the source of the dynasty his spawned. The Anointed and Maseeh respectively. He was not known by a nickname like many Islamic rulers stating, "Muhammad is Muhammad and Esma'il is Esma'il." That is how he became known as Esma'il "the Anointed" or in Persian, Maseeh. If you think the dynastic name sounds like messiah you would be 100% right. Because that is exactly was it means. Messiah is the Hebrew for anointed. In this developing branch of Islam's case it is both a bit more literal and just as important at a different level."

"Esma'il also stated that one of his descendants would be the prophesized Mahdi an ultimate savior of humankind and the final Imām of the Twelve Imams who will emerge with Isa, Jesus Christ, in order to fulfill their mission of bringing peace and justice to the world. So not only did events develop into Esma'il being the reincarnation of Muhammad, but his descendant would be one of the saviors of the apocalypse at the end of all things."

"He declared himself a Caliph and, with the collapse of the Abbasid realm and complete disappearance of the Abbasid Caliphate with in a decade or two of his appearance, only solidified himself in the eyes of his believers not just as a successor of Muhammad, but as the reincarnation of the man as well. Reincarnation or not, this new Caliph continued expanding. All of Persia, not the old Persian Empire but what we would think of as modern day Iran, was under his control by 1335."

1335 Political Map of the Middle East

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OOC: So, a good way to stop Christianity from getting everything. They were doing so well they haven't called a crusade in close to 80 years by this point.


Also, while I did create him, just look at these stats. He is one of the premier figures of this era after all.

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I will be touching on Esma'il's successors in Part 2, an interesting uprising in Part 3, a major war in Part 4, and returning to our friends in Ireland for Part 5. At least that is the current plan.

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@Dr.Livingstone I hope this meets with your approval of reinvigorating Islam.

 

[Dr.Livingstone]

Praise to Allah, the Golden age is at hand!

 

[AvatarOfKhaine]

God is great!

 

[Shebedaone]

I love this AAR mainly because of how you made this world into an alternate universe and since your gonna convert this to EU4 i want to contribute(also for all the divided mongols states you could say they were divisions of the Khanate)

1.The Islamisation of Indonesia and Malaysia

In our world muslim traders and merchants brought Islam to the courts of the Rajas and Maharajas of the Malay peninsula in the 15th century.In this world muslims have been driven to Oman,Yemen,The Caucasus and Tibet so muslims are all fleeing for their lives to remote corners of the world.I think that the conversion of indonesia and malaysia could come earlier either in the 12th century or the 13th century because of an influx of muslim refugees from Persia,Anatolia and Arabia. My theory is during the reign of one of the Srivijayan Maharajas an influx of muslim refugees migrate to Sumatra and the Malay Peninsula and their religion is embraced by a large portion of the Srivijayan court which leads there being a civil war between those who areto muslim or those who are hindu with the Malay peninsula,Sumatra,parts of Borneo,The Philippines,Burma and Vietnam on the Blue Faction or the Fraksi Biru (Muslims) named so because of their foreign ideas that came from across the sea.Java,Sulawesi, the rest of Borneo, and the rest of mainland South East Asia are on the Hindu-Buddhist side known as the Brown Faction or Fraksi Soklat which is named so because their ideas are native to the region and the earth's is brown in colour.This War would be in the EU4 period as during the reign of a Maharaja Trabhuwana Vijayaputera the Reviver the Srivijayan Empire has a revival and subjugates the rest of south east asia

2.China

Kublai Khan is never born and the mongols never completely take over china infact they mostly abandon the conquest of China resulting in China being split between mongol vassal states and the Song Dynasty which itself crumbles from corruption and internal war.The Song dynasty is split between competing warlords the most powerful being the Hao and Yiu dynasties which rule from the Yunnan and Canton provinces respectively by the time this happens though the mongols are in decline with frequent civil war and famine.A young Ghenghisid (descended from Ghenghis Khan) Prince named Muslim Al Mughuli persecuted for his heathen islamic ways is banished to the mongol vassal state of Shung. Muslim takes over the surrounding area and establishes his capital in Khanbaliq which he renames Beijing or Northern Capital and establishes the Ma Dynasty with Zikri Islam being the State Religion and renames himself Emperor Qiánchéng of the Ma Dynasty.

I hope you like my ideas this are just my thoughts for making the eu4 section more interesting

 

[GoukaRyuu]

SNIP

I'm inviting you into the private chat I was having with @wam-mnebu. Those are some good ideas and will really start looking into EUIV once I am finished winding his down. The class I am taking finishes mid December and I have a good portion of the last two weeks of the year off so that would be an excellent time to work on ti.

 

[GoukaRyuu]

1317 - 1366 Part 2​

"Esma'il and his followers continued expansion of the empire, and did so even after the death of Muhammad's Successor. The eastern coast of the Arabian Peninsula fell and so too did Mesopotamia. It was during the later war, with the Mongols, that Esma'il would fall. Enjoying the fruits of his labors, Esma'il had at some point contracted syphilis. It was his syphilis induced insanity that would be the leading contributor of his death. He ended up mortally wounding himself before being struck down in the same battle. His son and heir, Esma'il II, was able to continue the campaign winning the battle and the war. It looked like the empire would remain secure and Esma'ili Islam would continue to spread, but Esma'il II fell ill and died only two years after he became Caliph."

Caliph Esma'il II

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"His heir was his first son, born the same year he ascended to the position of Caliph, the two year old Afshar. Afshar is known by the epithet "the Magnificent." While he did live up to the legend that developed around him when he was a child, a lot of his legacy builds off of the competency of his regency council and the fact that his grandfather had truly inspired hope in many people. During the early stages of his reign many Persians and Muslims flocked to his banners and it was the armies made from these reinforcements, estimates put the numbers at over thirty thousand men available at some points, that helped put down many a rebellion or revolt as well as spread the empire further."

Caliph Afshar "the Magnificent"

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"The empire would completely take Mesopotamia during Afshar's reign. Also the eastern half of the Arabian Peninsula would be under Esma'ili control in his lifetime. Afshar's reign is shorter than many expected. The stress of his position, and living up to his grandfather's name, eventually got to him. It
is believed that the acute stress deteriorated his condition and that is how he died in 1355 at the age of 43. He would not be the only one. His son and immediate successor, Anushirvan, would die in the same way. Anushirvan's successor and older brother, Zahak, would gain the empire in 1402 after only six years of Anushirvan's rule."

Caliph Anushirvan

Caliph Zahak

"Zahak would be important for his serious proselytizing of the Esma'ili Islamic faith. It would be under his reign that the Central Asian area of the Empire; our modern day Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan known collectively as Khiva during the 18th and 19th centuries; the parts of the Arabian Peninsula controlled by the empire; and Mesopotamia, known to us mostly as Iraq, would be converted to this newest branch of the faith. However, the one place that stubbornly did not convert was Persia, our modern day Iran. It continued to stay the Nestorian variety of Christianity the Mongols had converted it to. This would be a bit of a blow given that the empire was a Persian one, but it would cause issues in the future given that it was a large central part of the Maseeh Empire's territory."

Political Map of the Middle East 1363

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OOC: I'm sorry I wasn't able to get this up on Thursday. That was not only my 30th birthday, but also the first anniversary of this AAR. Thank you everyone that has read and contributed comments. As always, if you have any comments or questions feel free to leave them. There are only two more parts planned for the CK2 portion of this AAR. I then will need time to actually learn how to play EUIV and gain some proficiency with it and then start the long process of modding EUIV. I have a had a few interesting ideas shot my way on how to shakeup Asia so I hope we can implement it well and they will intrigue you too.

 

[Nuada Airgetlám]

I recall reading the first few parts of this back in my occasional lurker days and I'm delighted that you brought it back. You have a very enjoyable alternate history and writing style.

Having done a little experimentation with conversion of pre-conclave saves, I suggest at least trying a conversion to EU4 1.19 with the latest patch but with only the dlc you have activated still on. The EU4 nations with "basic" ideas actually dynamically generate new ones once you actually start playing EU4. Good luck in any case.

 

[GoukaRyuu]

I recall reading the first few parts of this back in my occasional lurker days and I'm delighted that you brought it back. You have a very enjoyable alternate history and writing style.

Having done a little experimentation with conversion of pre-conclave saves, I suggest at least trying a conversion to EU4 1.19 with the latest patch but with only the dlc you have activated still on. The EU4 nations with "basic" ideas actually dynamically generate new ones once you actually start playing EU4. Good luck in any case.

Thank you for the kind words. I know I am not the best writer, but having feedback is heartening.

Yeah, someone over in one of the dev diaries said I could probably update to the latest patch, without unpausing, and then convert and i should be fine. Also, I will probably be doing editing of ideas anyways. Try to get a truly custom game going.

 

[GoukaRyuu]

1317 - 1366 Part 3​

"Another exciting development of this period happened in the Caucasus area. For centuries by this point it had been dominated by various Bedouin or Turkic Muslim powers. However, given the upheaval of the Islamic world some saw it as a suitable time to liberate themselves of what was viewed as foreign, in both the cultural and religious sense, oppressors."

1348 Political Map of Middle East and Caucasus Region

"The most successful of these rebellions was led by a practitioner of the Armenian Orthodox Church against a cadet branch of the Seljuk dynasty that had been able to keep power in the area long after the main branch of the family had lost power. The man was Daevit, or David, whose dynastic name came to be ve Nizip. The rebellion first started in 1340. By 1341, Edessa, an area we would think of as Southeastern Turkey, was under his rule."

Daevit ve Nizip

"Daevit was ambitious however and did not stop with just Edessa. Continuing to war against the various smaller Muslim powers, he gained more and more ground. by 1348 he held enough of the traditional lands that he declared himself the King of Armenia. He would be the first king of Armenia in some time as well as its first Christian king in centuries."

1348 Political Map of Middle East and Caucasus Region

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"The wars against the Muslim powers would continue and by the 1370s the Seljuk presence in the Caucasus would be removed permanently. In 1371 the capital of Armenia was moved to once again be at Ani, the first time since the 1060s, not that long after our POD from this universe. Ani in our universe was sacked by various powers including the Mongols until it fell into decay and disrepair and was abandoned. It is currently on the Eastern most border in Turkey but still a very important cultural relic for Armenians. Once called the City of 1001 Churches and renowned for its magnificence and splendor. The pictures of the ruins make that fact rather depressing, but there is still beauty in the pictures of the place. Anyways, I am digressing again, so I will stop."

1373 Political Map of Middle East and Caucasus Region

"King Daevit I* "the Liberator" would go on to have several children before taking a vow of celibacy. He is remembered as a brave warrior and a kind, patient, and just ruler who was also charitable to his subjects. He is one of the most celebrated monarchs in Armenian history and rather well remembered by historians in general as a ruler from this period. He was maimed in one of the many battles he fought over his life and between that and compounding stresses of running a realm instead of an army eventually led to his death in 1382 at what is estimated to be around the age of 65."

King Daevit I* "the Liberator" of Armenia

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OOC:
Today is the first day of my vacation, which won'y be over until January 3. I have two more planned updates for this time period and then begins the long wait. I have classes i am taking and that keeps me busy. I need to learn EUIV. But, most importantly, I need to begin the long process of modding and converting the save. I have excellent help from @Shebedaone and @wam-mnebu as well as @RedTemplar, who also offered to assist. The next updates should be sometime before the year is over. Enjoy your holidays everyone!

And, I would love to visit Ani someday. It looks very beautiful in its desolation.

 

[Idhrendur]

Thanks for the update, and I'm looking forward to the next phase when it comes!

 

[Nuada Airgetlám]

I like the increasing contrast between the worlds. Ani will surely be much different in this future.

 

[GoukaRyuu]

1317 - 1366 Part 4​

"The Holy Land had been under French control since the 1160s, which at this point in the timeline amounts to roughly two hundred years. As I believe I mentioned, holding Jerusalem was something of a poisoned chalice for France. They got the prestige of being the holders of the holy land, but, the Muslims wanted control themselves. Already several religious wars had been fought for control. However, this one was the biggest and the reverberation of events from it make it probably the most important."

1356 Political Map of the Middle East

"It all began when Frawsen "the Great" the Sultan of Tunisia called for a war to retake Jerusalem. You must understand that in their world it is a common misconception by Europeans to call him the Shia Caliph. He was not. The Ajeddigid family had overthrown the Shia Caliphs as actual secular rulers, but to be a Caliph for the Shia meant you needed to trace back descent from Muhammad. The Ajeddigid Sultans called themselves Hami Alkhalifa, Protectors of the Caliph, though this eventually became shortened and their title eventually just became Sultan Hamia, Sultan Protector."

Sultan Hamia Frawsen "the Great"

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"This war was the 6th time the Shia had called for a great war to retake the Holy Land. On the one side you had the Sultan Hamia, Sultan Milad II of Egypt, and several emirs. On the Christian side was King Richard V of France, King Eadulf/Adolf I* of England, King Duncan III and King Malcolm of Ireland, Shahs Feruxzad and Eskander II of Syria, Duke Conone of Lombardy, and Holy Roman Emperor Gottfried I de Genève."

King Duncan III of Ireland

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"The biggest battle of the war was the Battle of Acre. The Christians fielded close to 52,000 men and the Muslims fielded close to 20,000. Even though the Christians won, they ended up losing nearly 25,000 men. There is good reason it is considered to be one of the bloodiest battles of the era. Eventually, much like with this battle, the Christians numbers and defensive position allowed them to win the war."

Battle of Acre

"As I said, there were reverberations from this war. First, the French monarchs began to lean a little more on their subjects in the Holy Land for money to pay the soldiers and allow the budget to better handle such a draw. This would build up over time until it became one of the main reasons a rebellion to place a bastard son of the king on Jerusalem's throne would occur in 1413. Given how important this is, the year 1413 is a very important one, we will definitely be looking at this event in greater detail later."

"For the Holy Roman Empire, Gottfried would draw much on his vassals levies to protect the Holy Land in a show of piety. This and his actions to erode the rights of the nobility would breed resentment. One of his successors, Emperor Amadeus, would have to grant more rights to the nobles in order to stave of a Civil War while facing an invasion by his brother. We will also discuss this."

"And, then there is Ireland. King Duncan III, at that point in time the longest reigning Irish monarch, died on the boat to the holy land. Malcolm was the most senior member of the O'Neil dynasty present so he was made leader of the Irish troops in Duncan's stead at the dying king's request. As a sign of respect for Duncan, Malcolm would be selected as the next King of Ireland. Anyways, Duncan, during his reign, also started to take the rights away from the nobility. But, he did it slowly over the course of his thirty-nine year reign. As I will be getting into next, some of the Irish nobility felt that with a new king, one away at war in the Middle East, it was time to rise up and reclaim their rights."

King Malcolm I* of Ireland

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OOC: Merry Christmas everyone. One more update to go.

 

[Nuada Airgetlám]

Good call in tracking consequences of that war.

 

[GoukaRyuu]

1317 - 1366 Part 5​

"As I mentioned, many of the nobles of the Celtic Union were upset at Duncan III for slowly eroding their authority over his long reign as well as slowly beginning a process to try to tie the constituent members of the Celtic Union closer together. Between his death and his successor, King Malcolm I*, being away fighting Saracens in the Holy Land, it was deemed a perfect time to act. This war, which has come to be known as the Irish-Breton Civil War and is one of the major events leading to the eventual end of the Celtic Union."

King Malcolm I* of Ireland

"The nobles that rebelled in this case were, mainly, not those in Ireland proper. Instead, the main stronghold was in Brittany. The leader of the rebellion was Duke Custentin/Constantine IV de Cornouaille of Brittany. Interestingly, he was descended from Ireland's King Constantine I."

Duke Custentin IV de Cornouaille of Brittany

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"Constantine I had been the third son of Duke Malachy III of Connachta/Connaught and was likely not to inherit; he didn't. Brittany had been under Irish control for about a generation. Duke Mathias de Cornouaille was made duke by King Duncan II of Ireland/I of Brittany. He had no male issue and so his daughter, Enora, had inherited. Constantine I was deemed a rather insignificant member of the dynasty, it was surprising when he was elected king, and so was married to Enora with the promise that her children would be of her dynasty. The idea was to, like in Wales, allow those of the culture of the area serve as intermediaries with the Irish and to as much as possible keep the families that had been ruling there in place. In Brittany's case the de Cornouaille had been one of several ruling families though it had been, if you recall, the Sant Nazar that had been usurped by Duke Domnall/Donald, a son of King Neil I "the Kind" of Ireland."

King Constantine I of Ireland

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"Once King Malcolm received news of the uprising he decamped from the Holy Land and as quickly as the winds allowed traveled to Brittany. This war lasted roughly a decade. This was not helped by the fact Prince Visvaldis of Lithuania, son of King Visvaldis I* of Lithuania and Princess Caitilín of Ireland, herself the daughter of Constantine II of Ireland, used the Celtic Union's civil war as an opening to press his own claim for Ireland in 1367. It was the landing of his armies that caused Malcolm to split his troops and return to Ireland, the first time since he had been made king. Between the Lithuanian incursion and the continuing civil war, Malcolm, a rather greedy man with a love for wealth, had to purchase the services of mercenaries. This, for one helped quell Visvaldis' attack. As for Brittany, Duke Custentin/Constantine IV and his allies decided to fight to the bitter end and Malcolm was forced to lay siege to much of that realm, hence the length of the war."

Prince Visvaldis

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"Eventually, Malcolm was able to capture so many of the castles and settlements in Brittany that the rebels surrendered. Now, if there was one thing Malcolm was known for besides his greed it was his cruelty. A wiser king would have either let Duke Constantine quietly die in his dungeons or else have taken away one of his titles and forced him to pay for his release. No. Malcolm was livid having to use much of the accrued fortunes of the Irish monarchy to put down these rebels. He revoked Constantine's ducal title and then had him flayed alive. This means that Constantine was skinned. Either he died from the shock, blood lose, or hypothermia when he no longer had skin to regulate his body heat. It is why Malcolm gained the nickname "the Flayer."

"This cruel reaction created much bad blood between the Bretons and the Irish. It would only be exacerbated by a cracking down on Brittany in coming years and King Donald IV "the Green-Eyed"s actions which were viewed as an insult to the rights granted to the nobles by the tanistry system. The ultimate consequence of all this would be Brittany freeing itself from, and essentially dissolving, the Celtic Union in 1413."


OOC: And that is it. I have played up until 1427 currently, and may play a little further before starting the conversion/modding process. Here is the political map from the save:

Thank you so much everyone that followed along offering comments or even the simple support of liking my posts. Special thanks to @Jorlem, @RedTemplar, @wam-mnebu, and @Shebedaone for your support, interest, contributions, and help. I want to continue this into EUIV and will use this thread to keep people abreast of progress when it happens. Have a happy new year everyone!

 

[Nuada Airgetlám]

It looks like the shortsightedness of one man made all the difference here.

I'm looking forward to seeing the shape of this world in EU4.

 

[Idhrendur]

Looking forward to this continuing in EU4!