Then it isn't a bug, because it was plot driven.
Meh, I thought that it was limited to wars based on independence, not usurping.
Medium Crown Athority Law not working as intended
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Then it isn't a bug, because it was plot driven.
Meh, I thought that it was limited to wars based on independence, not usurping.
Even if I get a Byzantine COA up in the Realm screen (Usurp, Claimants, History) clicking laws just gets the Royal Laws of Ireland screen - no other choices available. Maybe since I'm "not a vassal . . . yet" as the Basileus who just usurped the Empress says. Mainly, I wanted to know the laws and which direction he was going.
You want to look in the laws screen, not the realm screen. In the Laws screen itself, at the top there are the CoA's for your titles and any kingdoms/empires that they fall under. Click on the ERE CoA there, and it will show you the Imperial laws.
Another thing is, if you're the Kingdom of Jerusalem then what the Byz Emperor is doing with his crown authority doesn't matter; you have your own as an independent Kingdom. The CA level will only matter if you are a king level vassal of the Emperor.
Is this issue not caused when two vassals are already at War before Crown Authority is changed?
i know in my case there were no plots as i was always looking for them and if a duke takes to much which you can not stop it and they get very powerful very quickly so something dosent add up and the result is they becomes imposible to control for long periods of time.
sadly I do not think so. I've had two vassals of mine fighting it out when I wanted to use them to go to war for ME. I looked and looked for a "knock it off!" action... no such. just had to wait until it resolved itself, which sucked, because it put my warplans off a few months.
AFAIK this only works when the Kingdom of Italy and/or Burgundy has already been formed, though - in my last di Canossa game, I couldn't attack Italian counts under HRE protection.
I'm pretty sure they can still fight within your own kingdom. They cannot fight OUTSIDE your kingdom. It's either high or max that they no longer can declare war on each other.
I assure you that they cannot. I was part of the HRE, and as Tuscany, I could not declare war on any of the other Italian rulers, who were also part of the HRE, even those I had a valid CB on. HRE was at Medium Authority (I think).
Everything you say is correct and is working as intended.
Each de jure kingdom has its own crown laws, so if you have vassals in multiple different de jure kingdom areas different laws can apply. For example, in my current game as the King of England, I have medium crown authority in England so my vassals in England can't war with each other, but I also have several vassals in France who can and do regularly war with each other because the King of France is rather weak and has the law of France set to Autonomous Vassals. Even though my vassals in France owe their de facto fealty to England, the crown laws of France still apply to them withing the French de jure area. Hope that makes sense!
It's the other way around. At medium authority they can no longer declare war on other vassals within your kingdom. At high authority they can no longer declare war on rulers outside your kingdom.
Are you guys absolutely sure the vassals were not at war before the law change? Because that is the only time I have seen this happen.
I had to dig into this thread and my own situation. It was a plot, started from within the de jure kingdom of Rus that I control.
Open the vassal in question who is responsible or involved and hover over the at war icon to see if it was a plot, revolt for independance, or declaration of war.
The tooltip is misleading -- it does prevent DoW for power hungry vassals, but not anything else that allows titles to change hands. It's a pretty "weak" improvement to low crown authority unless you have a large empire that require keeping vassals in check any way you can.
Open the vassal in question who is responsible or involved and hover over the at war icon to see if it was a plot, revolt for independance, or declaration of war.
The tooltip is misleading -- it does prevent DoW for power hungry vassals, but not anything else that allows titles to change hands. It's a pretty "weak" improvement to low crown authority unless you have a large empire that require keeping vassals in check any way you can.
A while ago I had a duke in my kingdom DoW and usurp another duke, possibly via plot.
The problem: the attacking duke's title was within de iure Hungary. The defending duke's in de iure Poland.
What sucks is that I wasn't given an option to intervene. This is silly. The king should have an option to meddle. Especially if the defending and losing duke was my son...
The problem: the attacking duke's title was within de iure Hungary. The defending duke's in de iure Poland.
What sucks is that I wasn't given an option to intervene. This is silly. The king should have an option to meddle. Especially if the defending and losing duke was my son...