Mediterranean Faces
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However, the matter is, that I pay money and want to get a little bit quality, which I can't see at all. The faces don't suite to the europian and orient faces, moreover, they are just bad done, for example, diadems(or something like that) are too big or too little for the size of the heads. That is not what I expect from such a developer as Paradoxx studio.
The portraits look like someone likes his bacon crispy and his women well-bottoxed. I am so not buying this DLC.
It's not just like they look dark, half-necrosic and sick; they also look like they're all mummies from Mars.
Wrong, partially. They didn't alter much of the gene pool, but they are the reason for some of the fair skinned, blue eyed Spaniards around. And they altered the nobility's genepool a lot, so much that dark blonde and light-coloured eyes was the rule among the Iberian nobility, except in Navarre. Since this is a game of nobility, it's all that matter right now. Spanish nobility was usually blonde and of light-coloured eyes, most of them fair skinned.
They probably went in with the stereotype.
It's not just like they look dark, half-necrosic and sick; they also look like they're all mummies from Mars.
Wrong, partially. They didn't alter much of the gene pool, but they are the reason for some of the fair skinned, blue eyed Spaniards around. And they altered the nobility's genepool a lot, so much that dark blonde and light-coloured eyes was the rule among the Iberian nobility, except in Navarre. Since this is a game of nobility, it's all that matter right now. Spanish nobility was usually blonde and of light-coloured eyes, most of them fair skinned.
They probably went in with the stereotype.
"Blue" blood
See also: Limpieza de sangre
Blue blood is an English idiom recorded since 1834 for noble birth or descent; it is also known as a translation of the Spanish phrase sangre azul, which described the Spanish royal family and other high nobility who claimed to be of Visigothic descent,[10] in contrast to the Moors.
The idiom originates from ancient and medieval societies of Europe and distinguishes an upper class (whose superficial veins appeared blue through their untanned skin) from a working class of the time. The latter consisted mainly of agricultural peasants who spent most of their time working outdoors and thus had tanned skin, through which superficial veins appear less prominently.
Robert Lacey explains the genesis of the blue blood concept:
It was the Spaniards who gave the world the notion that an aristocrat's blood is not red but blue. The Spanish nobility started taking shape around the ninth century in classic military fashion, occupying land as warriors on horseback. They were to continue the process for more than five hundred years, clawing back sections of the peninsula from its Moorish occupiers, and a nobleman demonstrated his pedigree by holding up his sword arm to display the filigree of blue-blooded veins beneath his pale skin—proof that his birth had not been contaminated by the dark-skinned enemy.[11]
Source wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility#.22Blue.22_blood
a note: people with dark skin enriched our genetic pool(and here is sunny).but the skin tone of the dlc isnt accurate,and even less for the Nobility.
See also: Limpieza de sangre
Blue blood is an English idiom recorded since 1834 for noble birth or descent; it is also known as a translation of the Spanish phrase sangre azul, which described the Spanish royal family and other high nobility who claimed to be of Visigothic descent,[10] in contrast to the Moors.
The idiom originates from ancient and medieval societies of Europe and distinguishes an upper class (whose superficial veins appeared blue through their untanned skin) from a working class of the time. The latter consisted mainly of agricultural peasants who spent most of their time working outdoors and thus had tanned skin, through which superficial veins appear less prominently.
Robert Lacey explains the genesis of the blue blood concept:
It was the Spaniards who gave the world the notion that an aristocrat's blood is not red but blue. The Spanish nobility started taking shape around the ninth century in classic military fashion, occupying land as warriors on horseback. They were to continue the process for more than five hundred years, clawing back sections of the peninsula from its Moorish occupiers, and a nobleman demonstrated his pedigree by holding up his sword arm to display the filigree of blue-blooded veins beneath his pale skin—proof that his birth had not been contaminated by the dark-skinned enemy.[11]
Source wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility#.22Blue.22_blood
a note: people with dark skin enriched our genetic pool(and here is sunny).but the skin tone of the dlc isnt accurate,and even less for the Nobility.
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How come there's people in this thread thinking "the males look OK"? I mean, COME ON! They look like they're made out of tinfoil. Nikolaos Hikanatos seems to have had an Acid accident and then he went through smallpox. The women seem to come from the Planet of the Apes. Ioseph of Seleukia looks like a rehab hobo. One could say that Euphemios of Erice had lifting surgery, gone horribly wrong, like Ray Liotta. And Nikhephoros of Croatia... Good God, Nikephoros, what happened to you? When did you turn into an ogre?
Some people might be ugly, but in this game the whole Mediterranean seems to be some kind of melange between the Planet of the Apes and a hospice for homeless lepers and other necrosic sicknesses.
Beauty might be subjective, but health is not! They all look horribly sick! It's hilarious, but I foresee that this DLC won't be the most successful...
Those faces are not only ugly, they severely lack the detail of the original ones... 
This is exactly how they see us, it's even worse in the US
P.S. I figured you were being British but I wasn't sure
Not British, not North European, not even South European. I'm just a guy who wants medieval European nobles to look like Medieval European nobles in a game about medieval European nobles. Does that make any sense ?
I responded to your post because there was something about tanned nobles in there. I know what you were arguing for and I totally agree with you. Wasn't trying to contradict you or anything, just wanted to point out that medieval nobles weren't usually so tanned.
Anyway, I see this thread has been derailed into a "are Southern Europeans white" thread. Although some ignorant voices have claimed the contrary, this is not even the case of this thread. This is not about the entire populations, where they black, where they brown, pale or tanned. This is about the small enclosed caste which ruled Europe during the Middle Ages, known to us as nobility or aristocracy. In Western Europe, most of them where descended from the warrior class of the Germanic tribes which settled across the former Roman provinces. So even if we somehow accept that the common people were darker than the ones from Northern Europe, the nobles from Iberia and Italy were as pale as the Northern nobles (maybe a little bit more tanned, but that would be a insignificant difference which would even fade during winter). The Greek/Byzantine nobility, although native (not descended from Germanic nobles) were also light skinned, just take a look at the portrait of any Greek. So yeah, the new portraits are clearly too dark, breaking the immersion of the game.
Hahahah. I don't think they look ugly, just totally and blatantly inaccurate. But I'm buying it anyway and I'll have fun with this latino rulers conquering Europe. I think the proper songs DLC should be reggaeton.
BTW just again it's not racism. It's just not the way we look. That's it. I mean, I'm from Galicia and I'm fair skinned dark brown hair, brown eyes. I could be the exception but I look around at the people here and they don't look like that. Even less likely 11th century noblemen and women would look like that. And if they did I'm wondering WTF happened.
But hey, I'm not historian. I'll just have fun with the game. I mean, variety is cool.
But I'm buying it anyway and I'll have fun with this latino rulers conquering Europe. I think the proper songs DLC should be reggaeton.BTW just again it's not racism. It's just not the way we look. That's it. I mean, I'm from Galicia and I'm fair skinned dark brown hair, brown eyes. I could be the exception but I look around at the people here and they don't look like that. Even less likely 11th century noblemen and women would look like that. And if they did I'm wondering WTF happened.
But hey, I'm not historian. I'll just have fun with the game. I mean, variety is cool.
I live variety as much as the average paradoxian but, honestly, they do look a bit too dark. I'm an Italian with Greek descent and I don't look this dark, so duh.
Hahahah. I don't think they look ugly, just totally and blatantly inaccurate.
BTW just again it's not racism. It's just not the way we look. That's it. I mean, I'm from Galicia and I'm fair skinned dark brown hair, brown eyes. I could be the exception but I look around at the people here and they don't look like that. Even less likely 11th century noblemen and women would look like that. And if they did I'm wondering WTF happened.
But hey, I'm not historian. I'll just have fun with the game. I mean, variety is cool.
I think this summarizes it for me. They're not bad, they just look completely inaccurate. And yeah, the African ones are "off" too, but they were a massive, massive step up over their old "arabic" looks anyways. Now my Nubian kings like like Nubian gods.
Sadly, might pass on this one. I actually thought the graphics used by the Iberians and various "Latins" was mostly pretty solid.
I don't know. The so-called 'germanic' nobility in the Mediterranean was established for centuries already in 1066. It's not completely stupid to suppose that they had sometimes intermingled with local men and women in the course of years and centuries.
Thus losing that supposedly 'pale' complexion of the skin.
By the way, where do Germans come from? If we follow you on this slippery road, they descend from Indo-European tribes (Aryans).
Is an Indian or Persian aristocrat 'white'?
The fact that Galician kings are pictured as 'mediterranean' might be an oversimplification, but it's okay with me.
Honestly, by 1066 Andalusian nobility wasn't so different from the Christian Spanish one seeing how it mostly descended from the converted locals.
Sicilian muslim nobility was foreign, but so was the Christian one (although not exactly mediterranean).
Detail...Contrast....nope. I can live with the too dark old italian men but the unreal touch as if their faces are all buried under make-up is too much for me...at least currently.
It seems as if the arts team lacked time.
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Actually i do like the little differences and the cheeks and noses and clothes and its well done to differentiate them from other cultures, but the skin contrast and detail is...no..just ..no.
I believe if the skin would be better, most people wouldnt mind the tan and could love them actually. It's really only the skin.
Though i admit i'm an idiot when it comes down to me doing it myself.o
It seems as if the arts team lacked time.
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Actually i do like the little differences and the cheeks and noses and clothes and its well done to differentiate them from other cultures, but the skin contrast and detail is...no..just ..no.
I believe if the skin would be better, most people wouldnt mind the tan and could love them actually. It's really only the skin.
Though i admit i'm an idiot when it comes down to me doing it myself.
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I feel like this DLC was made by Paradox thinking Mexicans and South Americans are the same people as Spaniards because they speak the same language...
I am a big fan of the Russian faces DLC, even though a lot aren't for some reason, but these Mediterranean faces look like Italians and Spaniards in-game are either a quarter-African, Amerindians left over from Sunset Invasion, or Middle Easterners... :mellow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM4ANyc_bVE
I am a big fan of the Russian faces DLC, even though a lot aren't for some reason, but these Mediterranean faces look like Italians and Spaniards in-game are either a quarter-African, Amerindians left over from Sunset Invasion, or Middle Easterners... :mellow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM4ANyc_bVE
An american (or whatever) hugging tourists and immigrants in Rome is hardly underlining your statement, while i probably share your opinion...
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