They are doing very weird things with their recent portraits packs
The Russians for example are looking very old at 30.
Hope it wont be the same for our italians friends...
Italian don't age.
Mediterranean Faces
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Italian don't age.
I wouldn't either. I know when I'm making my sets I have an essentially blank properties file where I can just mix and match everything, if only to see how they look rendered in game.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Famous_Italians_Mosaic.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Spanish_people.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Greeks25-3.svg
Closest one to the portraits in this DLC are the greeks, and they are still light years away form the correct tonality and facial features...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Spanish_people.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Greeks25-3.svg
Closest one to the portraits in this DLC are the greeks, and they are still light years away form the correct tonality and facial features...
Yup, definitely darker/pink than northern european pale. Thanks for proving my point.
clearly the lesson to be learned from those pictures is that greek people are statues.
Yup, definitely darker/pink than northern european pale. Thanks for proving my point.
Yes! Everybody darker than Paul Bettany should be classified as "African" and given sub-Saharan social and racial status!
Yes! Everybody darker than Paul Bettany should be classified as "African" and given sub-Saharan social and racial status!
hmy: I didn't know they are pink down there.All these pink panthers.
On a more serious note:
Lets see what we get monday, i pre-ordered and will report as many others i guess will...along with pics.
The skin tone on the screenshots appears to be too dark, and Matilda's picture was...just no.
Indeed
I agree, The Sicilians and Meridonale would make sense.
I don't hate the face pack, it just doesn't make sense for some cultures. Possibly not Greeks, but definitely Armenians.
It makes sense to me, if you see culture as being the culture of the aristocracy rather than the peasants.
Neither do they now really (or Spaniards). They often look clearly southern (except those with strong Longobardian genes, who look close to generic European if such a thing even exists) but very rarely with oriental hints; maybe somewhat of an olive shade (no wonder, coffee is about the only thing where no olive oil is not added
). For the record, Arabs probably shouldn't look like Kurds or Berbers (the Berbers being vaguely European, actually), while a man from the West may normally lack the knowledge to nail down the differences. Back to Europeans, I think individual differences in skin tone between this guy and that guy in the same city can be larger than a sort of standardised difference between one country and the next.The other point is that while the male nobles wouldn't have avoided sun tan when campaigning, the female nobles locked in castles would have had little opportunity to get it. So acquired heavy tan doesn't work, while inborn heavy tan doesn't work even with modern Italians. Who are not as pale as Count of Vasterbotten's youngest daughter locked in a cloister but aren't really that dark.
Sicilians aren't overwhelmingly dark either. Darker than the boatful of flaxen-haired Norwegian exchange students at the port but not spectacularly dark.
Last time I went to Greece, they were not much darker than I was, and I live on the 50th parallel.
Anyway, as for the aristocracy, castle dwellers won't normally have as dark a complexion as farm workers, barring warriors who campaign heavily (not just a trip to conquer the barony next door but some serious crusading or Guelph-Ghibelin sort of permasquabbles). As much as they sometimes married people from abroad, they should be less affected by population mixing, especially with foreign groups. Not a hard-and-fast rule, for example there once was a half-Cuman king of Hungary. But still.
I kinda tended to think the same when I looked at the lady guards in that museum.
Kidding aside, it was similar in Italy. I eventually asked them how you were supposed to focus on the art when they hired such staff but they simply laughed it off. But anyway, now on a really less jestful tone, those folks will indeed look like ancient statues much of the time, as long as they stay vaguely in shape.They are doing very weird things with their recent portraits packs
The Russians for example are looking very old at 30.
Hope it wont be the same for our italians friends...
It's probably the skin. My bet is that old Russian characters have age-realistic skin, which we aren't prepared to see on the basis of the normal portraits, where even the depiction of illnesses is relatively tame. This would be one of the two realistic features of the Russian portraits (the other being the fact that unlike the default portraits, they don't represent an idealised, handsomer vision of the populace), while overall the default ones are more realistic, as in photo-realistic.
Yup, definitely darker/pink than northern european pale. Thanks for proving my point.
In most cases of Italians and many of Spaniards, I wasn't even really able to tell, other than characteristic facial features on the Italians (around the eyes mostly). And whatever countryside Spaniards from Andalusia or somewhere may look like, post-Visigothic nobles must have looked different.
Well, those portraits are pretty, although I'd be inclined to see the guy cast against a desert as a tourist.
The aristocratic lady in the top one is darker than a modern commoner from northern Italy would be, but then possibly a non-cloistered noble somewhere in BYZ could have the look. Can't tell whatever the king is supposed to look like. The box art looks good and definitely acceptable but the same was the case with the Russian pack.Bad logic. You want to point out a difference and kill his argument but fact is, you can't define "Mediterranean" in a way that doesn't include Italians.
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Yeah.
Not only, but yeah, those two are poor arguments.
Well, true, but 1) if they sail, and 2) same for Champagne-born crusaders (who do get the cultural switch to Levantine much of the time, which I guess reflects settling down there and casting roots).
Like I said it's hard to define "Mediterranean" without including Italians. Also, it's not like you'd have much in the way of Anatolians for portraits, maybe mayors and a couple of bishops. Otherwise you get either the Byzzies with same old Greek culture or the Seljuk Turks.
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Still doesn't justify having them look like Arabs.Yup, definitely darker/pink than northern european pale. Thanks for proving my point.
What about them Turks? They don't look arabic either (neither do most north africans but I haven't heard people complain about that). Why nobody thinks of the turks?
No. There is no case where the released DLCs have been fixed. The main game is being patched constantly, the released DLCs, never.
That's your opinion, and you are allowed to have it. But don't assume that the rest of us share that opinion. I find the pack quite good actually and i have already bought it.
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