Medieval Nubian names

[LinusLinothorax]

I have to commit that i lost my motivation on researching a historical Nubia and Ethiopia because ROTW nations still have no unique gameplay mechanics, but i can atleast offer you historical accurate Christian Nubian names for Alodia and Makuria (Yes, Makuria was still Christian and not Shia Muslim, but i wont waste my time discussing that with anyone now just as i did in the previous thread) so you dont have to use these awful Arabic-like names anymore.

Male names:

Abraam
Aron
Adama
Aberkios
Agapos
Aggestotil
Aggelos
Alpha
Anton
Antoniou
Andreas
Basil
Makari
Mashshouda
Marturokouda
Mouna
Siti
Gourresi
Gabrielinkouda
Gabrielkouda
Georagajê
Ioel
Keddi
Raphael
Môusês
Timotheos
Darme
Iêsouinkouda
Tamsi
Papo Mena
Soueti
Isou
Tapara
Papasa
Martyrophoros
Joassê
Sentikol
Simeon
Stephanos
Toskoukouda
Masi
Ourouel
Ourouwi
Mena
Merkourios
Michaêlko
Ioannes
Chaêlsongoja
Christophoros
Mouhoumeti
Isakê
Geôrgiou
Georgios
Kosma
Daueid
Ajola
Iôdisi
Songoj
Ournourta
Orounkouda
Orinourta
Petri
Ngissitikol
Marieio
Marinkouda
Milinkouda
Papi
Orôsel
Outtal
Engngaeil
Ngapre
Doukasi
Iakob
Iêsousinkouda
Israel
Merkê
Mariomê
Tokinnaue
Dauti
Masê
Tenyri
Semamun
Loukasi
Solomon
Soukousapa
Marianou
Petrou
Nasri
Shirepi
Shekanda
Eittou
Megali
Qamar
Paulos
Paul
Taanego
Urtigaddi
Barak
Zacharias
Zachariou
Stamnoskouda
Papasinkouda
Staurosilkouda
Anastasios
Bartholomaios
Môusês Geôrgiou
Kattikouda


Here are some female names just for the case they might be useful for some events:


Neuesi
Kapopi
Anenikoli
Pampigon
Enomariamê
Mariamê
Mariham
Maria
Mari
Pongita
Pesi
Persi
Songojapiki
Ngonnen
Mari
Papasinen
Pasine
Thekla
Kapopi
Maia
Ajejê
Eismalê
Argate
Kapenê
Enoeionngoka
Iôminne
Iôla
Iôkaja
Eirotatoungngilki
Shipopi
Anna
Elisabet
Michaelikol
Susanna

 

[Trin Tragula]

Will add these names for Alodia.

Also feel free to recommend books that you feel have a more accurate description of this region (in English) if you want to. I won't make any promises for the setup but I have access to a well stocked university library and will attempt to check up on the suggestion.

 

[LinusLinothorax]

Will add these names for Alodia.

Also feel free to recommend books that you feel have a more accurate description of this region (in English) if you want to. I won't make any promises for the setup but I have access to a well stocked university library and will attempt to check up on the suggestion.

As a developer himself answer i go a bit extended (Again): At first, i can offer you screenshots out of the book "Medieval Nubia: A social and econonomic history" by Giovanni Ruffini, which underline that were was still a Christian Makuria/Dotawo in 1484.

http://fs2.directupload.net/images/141221/esvllh6j.jpg
http://fs1.directupload.net/images/141221/m7xs8a3j.jpg

As you can read the Makurian kings shifted the capital of their kingdom farther north, to Daw. This is what Mr. Ruffini told me in a personal chat, relating to the Makurian/Dotaoun ruler in 1444 and also the possible extension:

As to some of your specific questions, Joel was still on the throne in the 1480s, so he is a long-shot for the 1440s. But as you say, a good guess to start with, not having any further information. The situation from the 2nd to the 4th cataracts is indeed unknown in this period. Scholars have assumed that Dotawo was much reduced in this period. But this simply is a guess based on the known fact that it eventually disappears. Having no particular evidence to the contrary, I am comfortable with the possibility of a much larger territory for Dotawo. Or, put another way, I think it likely that our modern notion of "borders" is not very relevant for these people in these periods, and it is more a question of ongoing competition to extend influence and prestige from one place to the next, Dotawo being a force for centralization, working against forces of decentralization.

As we don't know its exact extension, we have to focus on the facts we know. According to Roland Werner's "Das Christentum in Nubien: Gestalt und Geschichte einer afrikanischen Kirche" (Which is the best and most extensive german and maybe even international book related to an overview of Medieval Nubian culture and history), documents from Qasr Ibrim mention several cities in which land sales happened. The most northern city was Tomas and the most southern was Adindan. At total we have a north-south length of around 100 km, which would look like this on the EU4 map (I drew the extension accurately after Google Earth):

http://s14.directupload.net/images/141020/cup4hqwg.png

The region itself is called Mahas, which was the Greek name for a province in former Nobadia, and the capital would be of course Daw, quite in the middle of the region. The current flag you gave Makuria (A cross for a Muslim nation, lol) is indeed accurate. In the former discussion people complained that Makuria was ruled by the Banu Kanz since 1317. Allthough it is true that the Banu Khanz overtook the kingdom and converted the thronehall into a musque, we know that there was already in 1323 a native Nubian king, Dernabes, 7 years later we have a relatively well known Christian king, Siti. Only 35 years the thronehall was definelty left to the Banu Ja'ad. In 1464/1484 we know that the Christian king Joel ruled, celebrating the "Halleluja". It also appears that the bishopdom of Pachoras (Modern Faras) was melted together with the one of Qasr Ibrim.

Concerning Alodia i am doing researches as well, also concerning the obsucre area between the second and sixth cataract. Until my state of knowledge, this area was occupied by Arabic people like the Rubatab and the Ja'alin, but until now i dont know much about them.

I also can offer you a new flag for Alodia:

http://www.hubert-herald.nl/EthiopiaOC_bestanden/image012.jpg

This is a reconstruction of a flag shown on a map of Mecia de Viladestes, dating from the early 15. century. You can see this flag right between the Blue and White Nile, right beside the kings head in the right bottom of the map:

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fe%2Fe1%2FMecia_de_Viladestes._Carte_marine_de_l%2527oc%2525C3%2525A9an_Atlantique_Nord-Est%2C_de_la_mer_M%2525C3%2525A9diterran%2525C3%2525A9e%2C_de_la_mer_Noire%2C_de_la_mer_Rouge._1413.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpt.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMecia_de_Viladestes&h=5000&w=6441&tbnid=a8newJU6yp7rrM%3A&zoom=1&docid=s1PJvViYEu0xmM&ei=bDqWVMz1DsT5yQP64ICADg&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=335&page=1&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=0CCIQrQMwAA

I was also working on an own set of historical and semi-historical ("What would have happened if....") NI's so you dont have to create your own, if i am allowed to say that. I think my will fit quite well.
I also did quite much researches on Medieval Ethiopia, just as i promised in this thread, where also an extensive but kind of stupid discussion happened:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?808497-Minor-states-of-East-Africa-which-i-would-like-to-see

Concerning Medieval Ethiopia i found several states one can add. I also found out that current Kaffa is way to big, and the flag the researcher used is quite amusing as he just took the modern flag of the "Southern Nations, Nationalities, and Peoples'" Region of Ethiopia.
At all i can promise around 5-10 states in southern Ethiopia and maybe around 4 for Medieval Nubia. However, to accurately display the political situation of Southern Ethiopia it would be necessary to add a tributary system (A feature which i suggested here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?817458-Diplomatic-option-Force-a-nation-to-pay-tribute&highlight=).
The various kingdoms of the south were no vassalls, but only tributaries of the Ethiopian Empire, as we know that Kaffa was a vasall state of Ennarya, which was the mightiest kingdm of the south at this time. I dont think vasalls had ever vasalls on their own in history.


I hope this was enough information for you for know. If you want to research on your own, i would propose you to check Ruffinis book (though it mostly focus on land sales in Medieval Nubian history) or if you want a nice overview: "Nubia. The Corridor to Africa" by William Y. Adams. Note however that this book is 40 years old and some stuff is outdated, espicially the part about Late Medieval Nubia. Of course there are also many other book out there about Medieval Makuria, but i have to admit that i am using my German book exclusively, as it offer the best overview of all books i know and is also full of notes and often extended explanations of sources the author used.

If you want to learn more about Alodia i propose you to check "Soba" by Derek A. Welsby & C. M. Daniels, which focus on history and mostly on Archeological finds in Soba, the capital of Alodia, or "The kingdom of Alwa" by Mohi el-Din Abdalla Zarroug.

Concerning Ethiopia there are some nice sources. The universal source is of course the "Encyclopedia Aethiopica", which offers a very good overview on everything about Ethiopia. Probably THE book series about Ethiopia and i am kind of proud to say that it was written and published in the university i am visiting (Hamburg). I even talked with some authors personally about Ethiopia in EU4 era.
Also nice are "The history of southern Gonga" by Werner J. Lange (Nice maps, focus on the Christian and Pagan kingdoms of the south-west) and "A History of the Hadiyya in Southern Ethiopia" by Ulrich Braukämper (Focusing on the people of Hadiyya, also has amazing maps including the other Muslim kingdoms of the south).
However, i almost finished my researches on Ethiopia, only the north-east is missing. I even painted boundaries on a map. I just need the final kick of motivation to finish this stuff soon. An African sprite pack would be a good start, a system which finaly can simulate the spread of firearms via trade, replacing the military technology which the ROTW nations still have to share with Europe would be even better

 

[AirikrStrife]

As a developer himself answer i go a bit extended (Again): At first, i can offer you screenshots out of the book "Medieval Nubia: A social and econonomic history" by Giovanni Ruffini, which underline that were was still a Christian Makuria/Dotawo in 1484.

http://fs2.directupload.net/images/141221/esvllh6j.jpg
http://fs1.directupload.net/images/141221/m7xs8a3j.jpg

As you can read the Makurian kings shifted the capital of their kingdom farther north, to Daw. This is what Mr. Ruffini told me in a personal chat, relating to the Makurian/Dotaoun ruler in 1444 and also the possible extension:



As we don't know its exact extension, we have to focus on the facts we know. According to Roland Werner's "Das Christentum in Nubien: Gestalt und Geschichte einer afrikanischen Kirche" (Which is the best and most extensive german and maybe even international book related to an overview of Medieval Nubian culture and history), documents from Qasr Ibrim mention several cities in which land sales happened. The most northern city was Tomas and the most southern was Adindan. At total we have a north-south length of around 100 km, which would look like this on the EU4 map (I drew the extension accurately after Google Earth):

http://s14.directupload.net/images/141020/cup4hqwg.png

The region itself is called Mahas, which was the Greek name for a province in former Nobadia, and the capital would be of course Daw, quite in the middle of the region. The current flag you gave Makuria (A cross for a Muslim nation, lol) is indeed accurate. In the former discussion people complained that Makuria was ruled by the Banu Kanz since 1317. Allthough it is true that the Banu Khanz overtook the kingdom and converted the thronehall into a musque, we know that there was already in 1323 a native Nubian king, Dernabes, 7 years later we have a relatively well known Christian king, Siti. Only 35 years the thronehall was definelty left to the Banu Ja'ad. In 1464/1484 we know that the Christian king Joel ruled, celebrating the "Halleluja". It also appears that the bishopdom of Pachoras (Modern Faras) was melted together with the one of Qasr Ibrim.

Concerning Alodia i am doing researches as well, also concerning the obsucre area between the second and sixth cataract. Until my state of knowledge, this area was occupied by Arabic people like the Rubatab and the Ja'alin, but until now i dont know much about them.

I also can offer you a new flag for Alodia:

http://www.hubert-herald.nl/EthiopiaOC_bestanden/image012.jpg

This is a reconstruction of a flag shown on a map of Mecia de Viladestes, dating from the early 15. century. You can see this flag right between the Blue and White Nile, right beside the kings head in the right bottom of the map:

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=...ur=335&page=1&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=0CCIQrQMwAA

I was also working on an own set of historical and semi-historical ("What would have happened if....") NI's so you dont have to create your own, if i am allowed to say that. I think my will fit quite well.
I also did quite much researches on Medieval Ethiopia, just as i promised in this thread, where also an extensive but kind of stupid discussion happened:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ates-of-East-Africa-which-i-would-like-to-see

Concerning Medieval Ethiopia i found several states one can add. I also found out that current Kaffa is way to big, and the flag the researcher used is quite amusing as he just took the modern flag of the "Southern Nations, Nationalities, and Peoples'" Region of Ethiopia.
At all i can promise around 5-10 states in southern Ethiopia and maybe around 4 for Medieval Nubia. However, to accurately display the political situation of Southern Ethiopia it would be necessary to add a tributary system (A feature which i suggested here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...tion-Force-a-nation-to-pay-tribute&highlight=).
The various kingdoms of the south were no vassalls, but only tributaries of the Ethiopian Empire, as we know that Kaffa was a vasall state of Ennarya, which was the mightiest kingdm of the south at this time. I dont think vasalls had ever vasalls on their own in history.


I hope this was enough information for you for know. If you want to research on your own, i would propose you to check Ruffinis book (though it mostly focus on land sales in Medieval Nubian history) or if you want a nice overview: "Nubia. The Corridor to Africa" by William Y. Adams. Note however that this book is 40 years old and some stuff is outdated, espicially the part about Late Medieval Nubia. Of course there are also many other book out there about Medieval Makuria, but i have to admit that i am using my German book exclusively, as it offer the best overview of all books i know and is also full of notes and often extended explanations of sources the author used.

If you want to learn more about Alodia i propose you to check "Soba" by Derek A. Welsby & C. M. Daniels, which focus on history and mostly on Archeological finds in Soba, the capital of Alodia, or "The kingdom of Alwa" by Mohi el-Din Abdalla Zarroug.

Concerning Ethiopia there are some nice sources. The universal source is of course the "Encyclopedia Aethiopica", which offers a very good overview on everything about Ethiopia. Probably THE book series about Ethiopia and i am kind of proud to say that it was written and published in the university i am visiting (Hamburg). I even talked with some authors personally about Ethiopia in EU4 era.
Also nice are "The history of southern Gonga" by Werner J. Lange (Nice maps, focus on the Christian and Pagan kingdoms of the south-west) and "A History of the Hadiyya in Southern Ethiopia" by Ulrich Braukämper (Focusing on the people of Hadiyya, also has amazing maps including the other Muslim kingdoms of the south).
However, i almost finished my researches on Ethiopia, only the north-east is missing. I even painted boundaries on a map. I just need the final kick of motivation to finish this stuff soon. An African sprite pack would be a good start, a system which finaly can simulate the spread of firearms via trade, replacing the military technology which the ROTW nations still have to share with Europe would be even better

Very nice sources and suggestions. I agree both Ethiopia and Sudan needs a rework, but you have also seen my thread on the subject. Hopefully next expansion