I'll probably buy it if it ever comes to Steam, or GOG. That way I get my BattleTech game, and EPIC doesn't get a single red cent.
Mechwarrior 5 - Epic Games Store Exclusivity
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oh ill support mw5....once its on discount on steam.
but not one moment before.
better to have only HBS BATTLETECH then fully support pgi/russ.
pgi/russ have proven time and time again that they dont give a womprats so and so about anything other then lining their pockets.
they did it with mwo and they are doing it with mw5
better to let their license die and someone else pick it up.
but hey thats my opinion after what i saw as an enthusiastic founder from the beginning for mwo.
but not one moment before.
better to have only HBS BATTLETECH then fully support pgi/russ.
pgi/russ have proven time and time again that they dont give a womprats so and so about anything other then lining their pockets.
they did it with mwo and they are doing it with mw5
better to let their license die and someone else pick it up.
but hey thats my opinion after what i saw as an enthusiastic founder from the beginning for mwo.
Looks like there is just shy of 14-hours till MW5 Launch... anyone up for some MWO?
It’s not quite Co-op, but it’ll do for the next few hours or so. :bow:
It’s not quite Co-op, but it’ll do for the next few hours or so. :bow:
Had PGI not flat-out lied to the people that pre-ordered the game, I might have been able to overlook the exclusivity thing.......but they were still telling backers that the game would get a Steam release long after the deal with EGS was made. Had it not been for an accidental leak of the info, the window for refunds would have come & gone before we were any the wiser. That kind of duplicity cannot be rewarded IMO.
I feel confident that we will see more BattleTech out of HBS in the New Year.
The BATTLETECH Live Support Team is up and running and hard at work. I do not doubt that we will hear from them in the new year. :bow:
More than that...?
Mitch will say more, when Mitch has more to say. : )
I want to preface this by saying that none of us know the details of PGI's contract with Epic. We can make reasonable guesses, but we don't know how it works on a legal level.
My understanding of the Epic exclusivity contracts is that they guarantee a minimum level of sales and pay for that minimum level up front. Until the game meets that minimum level of sales, any money from sales goes to Epic, because they have already transferred PGI's share to them ahead of time. There may be an additional level over the minimum sales which Epic also keeps all profit from as compensation for their guarantee. I have no way of knowing for certain. However, I doubt that if such a level does exist it would be infinite. At some point over the minimum sales threshold PGI would get their 88% of all sales.
Further, any purchases show interest in the title. If MW5 sells poorly, it nearly guarantees that there will be no sequel. It is unlikely to permanently kill the Battletech franchise for video games, but could cause another long dry spell.
Full disclosure: I backed MW5 with PGI and did not refund when they went to Epic. I have no issues with Epic as a store or a business. PGI did burn me with their changes to the beta. That has earned them an Untrustworthy tag with me and I will never be pre-ordering anything from them again, but I am looking forward to playing MW5 tomorrow.
I'm not saying that lying to your customers is a good thing here, nor saying this is what actually happened, but — given the way the business world works — there was at least a possibility of PGI being legally unable to tell anyone about the deal until the contract was finalized. Wanting to wait to tell everyone about it until way later though is a different matter.
Maybe so, but that didn't stop them from taking pre-order money under false pretences.
Hmm i think i do it the other way.
If MW5 was only on Steam i wouldnt buy it.
I got arround 400 games on Steam but every game i can buy at an other Plattform i do buy on that other Plattform.
Steam is an big fat slowish humpback whale, dont interested in others only to get feed from them.
A friend of mine is an Indi Developer and he cant await the day when the promised bigger share for developers beginns, nothing happend so far.
Epic is not the Hailsbringer but also Steam didnt is it and i dont get it why the hate against the Epic store is so big.
It is like with the Apple-, Volkswagen-, NVidia Fanbase all others are [mod edit: language] up but not these on and only company you like the most.
But i think what the most forget is that an company [mod edit: language] more and more on the consumers as bigger they get.
If MW5 was only on Steam i wouldnt buy it.
I got arround 400 games on Steam but every game i can buy at an other Plattform i do buy on that other Plattform.
Steam is an big fat slowish humpback whale, dont interested in others only to get feed from them.
A friend of mine is an Indi Developer and he cant await the day when the promised bigger share for developers beginns, nothing happend so far.
Epic is not the Hailsbringer but also Steam didnt is it and i dont get it why the hate against the Epic store is so big.
It is like with the Apple-, Volkswagen-, NVidia Fanbase all others are [mod edit: language] up but not these on and only company you like the most.
But i think what the most forget is that an company [mod edit: language] more and more on the consumers as bigger they get.
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I simply won't be buying it at all, full stop. Such is my distaste for "exclusivity" because of the way these deals are used in my RL industry.
The hate is because they rake in a ton of cash from Fortnight [Mod edit: no snarky nicknames], yet refuse to spend any of that money on improving their store. Also, the nature of their exclusivity deals means that developers feel no pressure to release the game in a finished state-as we saw with The Sinking City, Control, Borderlands 3 & Ancestors.....to name a few.
Lastly, no means to review these games exists, which highlights Epic's anti-customer approach.
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I didn't cancel my Pre Order, because i wanted to keep the Mechwarrior Franchise alive to see it flourish. Maybe one day the License will be spread between a lot more different Developer Studios for more diverse Content like with the Warhammer License, or like in the golden days of Mechwarrior/BT Computer Gaming back in the 90's/2000's.
However, i was also salty about PGI lying to us Backers when they announced their Epic Deal by a *mistake* of Russ Bullock, but since my Money went directly to PGI and their development fond, and not through EPIC Payments (which i refuse to buy anything on, except with Paysafe Cards), it was another reason to not cancel.
Me and my friends had a lot of discussions and ramblings about EPIC and it's more Developer friendly but Customer repelling behaviour. For me, it turned out to be just another Origin, Bethesda.net or Uplay Launcher, which is just that, a launcher.
The problem that i see lies in the missing communitys around those non Steam games, because Steam used to bring a Forum for all of their games so the need for creating Community Forums like this here was falling rapidly over the last Decade. There were times in the Past, where EVERY SINGLE Developer/Publisher had it's own Forum for their games, and that kinda declined over the last Decade because Steam took that Job over.
MW5 Mercs is no exception there.
This is my real grudge with EPIC, Origin and alike. They all kinda rested on Steams back, while trying to maximize their Profit with the least possible effort invested in Customer friendly Features.
However, i was also salty about PGI lying to us Backers when they announced their Epic Deal by a *mistake* of Russ Bullock, but since my Money went directly to PGI and their development fond, and not through EPIC Payments (which i refuse to buy anything on, except with Paysafe Cards), it was another reason to not cancel.
Me and my friends had a lot of discussions and ramblings about EPIC and it's more Developer friendly but Customer repelling behaviour. For me, it turned out to be just another Origin, Bethesda.net or Uplay Launcher, which is just that, a launcher.
The problem that i see lies in the missing communitys around those non Steam games, because Steam used to bring a Forum for all of their games so the need for creating Community Forums like this here was falling rapidly over the last Decade. There were times in the Past, where EVERY SINGLE Developer/Publisher had it's own Forum for their games, and that kinda declined over the last Decade because Steam took that Job over.
MW5 Mercs is no exception there.
This is my real grudge with EPIC, Origin and alike. They all kinda rested on Steams back, while trying to maximize their Profit with the least possible effort invested in Customer friendly Features.
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Sorry were this games buggy because of Epic? I don't think so. A lot of games come out with a huge junks of bugs Fallout 76 (i don't even know were to begin), No Man's Sky (just too many bugs on launch day), Batman Arkham Knight (this console port was a joke with whole options just missing in the menue), Battlefield 4 (crashes freezes ruberbanding etc.), Assassins Creed: Unity (missing faces on NPC's etc. etc.), Final Fantasy 14 (so buggy square relaunched it a year later), X-Rebirth (bug fest deluxe) just to name a few. And none launched on epic, buggy games are not Epic exclusive. To blame Epic for the Devs not doing their job just is not fair.
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And yet other plattforms do the same but there it is ok, or what?!
Buggy things with Steam, HL2 and HL2 EP2 , Cloudsaving funktion, friendlist and the biggest dissapointment are the not DDOs protectet Server.
Thats what i say, all others are bad only steam is the good guy o_o
2011 - EA-Origin is bad
2012 - Uplay is bad
2019 - EPIC is bad
we will see what selling plattform is the next one do bad things.
Steam doesn't generally do exclusives. Not even with their own games.
What's the difference?
One game is on Steam because their devs thought it was the easiest/most far-reaching/better platform. Those devs are free to release that game on any other platform of their choosing at any time they like. Many choose not to, but there's nothing stopping them. They can even ditch Steam altogether at any point. That's not an exclusive.
Another game is on EGS because Epic paid a real large sack of money up-front. Those devs cannot release the game on any other platform while the EGS deal is in effect, or they will be taken to court. It's a legally binding contract that stops them. They cannot not be on EGS for the duration of the deal.
I'd say it's a stretch calling it "the same". Steam's model is okay exactly because it isn't exclusive, EGS' model is not okay exactly because it is exclusive.
It's like they want the console wars back, only this time on PC...
Sorry but thats not true, Half-Life Series, Counter-Strike, Portal, Team Fortress, Day of Defeat, L4D Series, No Man Sky, total War Warhammer 1/2.
And a long Time, Fallout NV, Fallout 4, Skyrim, Metro 2033 and Last Light.
And then some games i dont be sure but they are bound to the Steam Serverbrowser.
But in difference EPIC only buy the exclusivity for one year, Steam has these for an long, very long time and no end at sight.
Dont get me wrong i dont like the one nor the other method but to say Steam is the good guy here is an lie.
Maybe you shouldn't use the term platform in this context. It is miss leading, neither Steam nor Epic are platforms. PS4, PC or XBOX are platforms, the term platform in a IT context is used for Hardware (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing_platform).
And there is a huge difference between Platform exclusivity and Shop exclusivity. In terms of games one prevents you to play it on any hardware you own (PC, PS4 etc.) when it was exclusivly released for another platform. The other "just" forces you to use a certain shop but you could still play without paying for new hardware if you used another shop before.
Both is exclusiv but with completly different consequences for you as gamer.
Borderlands 3 is a nice example for this, it's Epic exclusive but not platform exclusive. So if you own a PC you are forced to buy it at Epic but can still play, if you own a PS4 you also can still play.
Horizon Zero Dawn would be another nice one. It was platform exclusive for PS4 so there is no legal way you can play it on your PC, you can't even buy it for PC.
When you still say both is the same, then i really don't know whats going on in your head. Because for me both are completly different exclusivity deals, one of them makes me angry, the other just annoys me. Guess which one makes me angry.
Console Wars were fought with platform exclusive stuff, again completly different then the stuff happening with Epic and Steam. Basically the same, but hugely different consequences for a PC gamer. No one prevents you from playing anything, as it happened when Sony and Microsoft went to war with all their exclusive stuff.
And there is a huge difference between Platform exclusivity and Shop exclusivity. In terms of games one prevents you to play it on any hardware you own (PC, PS4 etc.) when it was exclusivly released for another platform. The other "just" forces you to use a certain shop but you could still play without paying for new hardware if you used another shop before.
Both is exclusiv but with completly different consequences for you as gamer.
Borderlands 3 is a nice example for this, it's Epic exclusive but not platform exclusive. So if you own a PC you are forced to buy it at Epic but can still play, if you own a PS4 you also can still play.
Horizon Zero Dawn would be another nice one. It was platform exclusive for PS4 so there is no legal way you can play it on your PC, you can't even buy it for PC.
When you still say both is the same, then i really don't know whats going on in your head. Because for me both are completly different exclusivity deals, one of them makes me angry, the other just annoys me. Guess which one makes me angry.
Console Wars were fought with platform exclusive stuff, again completly different then the stuff happening with Epic and Steam. Basically the same, but hugely different consequences for a PC gamer. No one prevents you from playing anything, as it happened when Sony and Microsoft went to war with all their exclusive stuff.
Funny, most of those you mention I bought somewhere other than Steam..
For those that are their own games (Valve; Half-Life/Counterstrike/Portal/Team Fortress), they at least have been available from other places than Steam since they first released.
I'm not saying Steam is "the good guy", I'm saying Epic is boycott-worthy, because their tactics are anti-consumer. Steam at least does not prohibit developers from publishing on other platforms.
"The Steam platform is the largest digital distribution platform for PC gaming" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_(service))