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Primarily the difference is that mechanized brigades are harder (more vulnerable to antitank weapons, less vulnerable to small-arms fire), better in rough terrain and significantly more expensive. They can also be very fast when paired with for ex. light armor
The first consists of mechanized infantry and the second of motorized infantry =)
Motorized is just plain old infantry, but with trucks. Pretty much the same stats as pure infantry, only faster, fuel consuming more expensive and slightly more supply consuming. Good on their own as fast breakthrough units, and good with tanks.
Mechanized has halftrucks and similar armoured vehicles. They are much more expensive than both infantry and motorized, but packs a much harder punch. Even faster than motorized and with low softness for great durability, these are elite units. I like them with light armour, for a very fast and still hardhitting division.
No, they are not. Mechanized receives slightly worse penalties when than motorised attacking for example jungle or forest provinces as well as across rivers. Mechanized compares even worse with foot-infantry. Check out the wiki.
You seem to have gotten it mixed up. I can't find anything suggesting it in the changelogs of either all of vanilla HoI3s or Semper Fi:s 2.03 and 2.04d.
Essentially, mech is significantly more expensive and significantly stronger. Except for the unusual circumstance of attacking AT units in the mountains they are among the most powerful units in the game.
Historically speaking we are talking about half-tracks rather than trucks. "armoured infantry"
Historically speaking we are talking about half-tracks rather than trucks. "armoured infantry"
As usual, throwing some history into the mix. The German panzer grenadier squad of ten men had THREE MG42 - one mounted on the APC and two with bipods. Each put out 20 rounds per SECOND while firing. Each platoon leader's APC had a 3.7cm AT gun in place of the MG42. At company level were 2 7.5cm L24 cannon, 6 dual-purpose 2cm AA, 2 8cm mortars, and 2 heavy MG teams, all could be fired from the APC's with the mortars and HMG being capable of being used dismounted also. The firepower was so extreme that the Pz G would charge through defended towns in the SU with all guns blazing and when they exited the far side every building was burning (incendiary every 5th round).
I concider both to be mostly useless in HoI3.
On the defence you can just use normal infantry and strategic redeploy them at 8kph everywhere the infrastructure is at least 40% (faster if better).
On the offence your better off with tanks and artillery instead since the tanks are needed for CA bonus and artillery will provide firepower without taking up front (unlike Mot/Mec).
On the defence you can just use normal infantry and strategic redeploy them at 8kph everywhere the infrastructure is at least 40% (faster if better).
On the offence your better off with tanks and artillery instead since the tanks are needed for CA bonus and artillery will provide firepower without taking up front (unlike Mot/Mec).
Artillery is just way too cheap in the game. Personally I love having a bulk army made up of pure INF, with one or two completely armored corps to hold the line where the line needs holding. Mostly in the one-province corridors... to larger pockets.
But you can attach sa-art or similar brigades to mech and get the ca-bonus. And the unit ist produced much faster.
Personally I'm not sure if mech is inferior to light arm.
How? MEC have 75% softness and SPArt have 70%
You need to get below 66% average for CA.
I think he means TD's, which have 30 softness. The mech brigades have awesome soft attack stats and decent hard attack. If you mix 2 mech, 2 SPArt, and 1 TD (or maybe it's 2,1,2) you have a very effective division with CA bonus and only 2 combat width. In ICE, SPArt has 32 softness, which would give you the CA bonus. Given that some SPArt was very tank like, this makes sense.
MECH has the highest toughness value of all land units. This will be invaluable when the combat system is fixed in FTM. At the moment it's a waste of resources.
Yes, it´s a pity, but it´s a failure of the way to get the CA bonus. I think Mechanized brigades should get the CA bonus by themselves, altohugh then the whole system of getting the CA bonus would become spoiled.
And that's why I think every land unit should have a softness rating either below 33% or above 66% to prevent such a CA exploit.
The problem is that mixing armor and artillery does the trick (of getting CA bonus), while mixing mech with artillery doesn not get the same trick, so, in the end, MECH become an expensive and useless unit. You can achieve everything they do using cheaper ways.
They do...or were you just trying to say they should stay that way?
This was their TO&E, but by the time you're referring to (mid-1943), no regiment in the OstHeer was remotely up to strength - especially in vehicles and heavy weapons. 2 of every 3 PG battalions had no APCs at all, let alone enough to equip the whole unit. They really weren't charging through much of anything by that time, unless it was in reverse. Official TO&E documents can be exceedingly misleading. In the context of the game, however, I suppose full TO&E would be more possible.
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Sorry that I haven't clarified my position. Yes, they should stay that way, at least in Vanilla. However, in DiG, with the latest modification to armour cars (btw, credit to Devildread for including an attack efficiency bonus in AC for certain terrain types to reflect the recon ability), the softness of AC has been changed to 51? (can't remember the exact number off hand but I vaguely recall it falls between 33 and 66...) So in theory, you can build 3 AC's and it would still give you the CA bonus. Granted, the problem is because of the 0 combat width, it's completely useless built for combat situations.