May 13th Beta: GENERAL FEEDBACK THREAD

[ulmont]

after the war, and some muslim fighting, my reputation was at Tarnished. I granted a county to a duke of mine, created an archbisophric (with two counties given to a newly created bishop), and elevated a count to duke status (no count title given). Yet after this, my reputation hadn't even increased to slightly tarnished. It was still tarnished.

Tarnished is -2.0 to -3.0 / month. Slightly Tarnished is -1.0 to -2.0 / month (with roundoff you'll see -1.0 displayed for both Respectable and Slightly Tarnished, and -2.0 displayed for both Slightly Tarnished and Tarnished).

The general rule is that each title is a 0.2 boost to reputation, although dukes may be more (There is a bonus depending on how many vassals the duke gets given to him).

So you granted 1 county to your duke: +0.2
Created a bishop: +0.0 (bishops only give piety when created)
Gave that bishop a second county: +0.2
Elevated a count: +0.2

For a total bonus of +0.6

If you were at -2.6 to -3.0 per month before you did that, you'll still be Tarnished after.

To get more information, hover over a vassal's loyalty display and notice what his modifier from your reputation is.

-Richard Campbell.

 

[Garuda]

Hi guys,

I’ve been a long time lurker on this particular forum and have been following with interest. I haven’t played CK in a long time but decided to patch up to 13 May beta and have a go. I’ve got a few points to post on but I’ll try to keep this short.

1. The events that give you/cost you for a passing courtier. On two occasions I’ve accepted but no courtier arrived. One was for a Marshall and one for a Bishop. Anybody else experience this?

2. The plagues. I know MrT is fixing the periods but my point is about the length of time it lasts. Playing as DoGwynedd now KoWales. I’ve had both plagues since 1086 and its now 1128, that’s 42 years continuous plague and still going. Is this WAD? During this time I’ve had to play on fast forward as I’ve no money to build with, no armies to march with and hardly any courtiers left. Most of my dynastic children die before they’re 10 yrs old. These 42 yrs have not been very exciting.

3. Cyclical crusades. Crusade was called to go to Jerusalem in about 1075, its still going in 1128 no sign of an end and nobody is crusading.

4. Alliances. I’ve twice defaulted on alliances but still remain allied until I save and reload.

5. Building modifier. My only build project over the last 40 years is a Court of Justice which is taking forever. Now the county is the first to be rid of plague (Dec 1141), I waited for the modifier to reset but come January 1142 it didn’t, I had to cancel and reorder the building.

6. Marriage. I am unable to propose marriage to 16 year old males who are heirs to Irish dynasties (tried four in a row). I tried as soon as they came of age but I get no option, each then is married within a day or two and each wife is immediately pregnant. I guess this might actually be WAD?

7. Small point. The event ‘Successful propaganda changes your status’ has a different prestige gain advised on the message box to the tool tip. The message box is correct.

8. Lastly. I’d like to say a huge thank you to everyone who is working tirelessly to improve this game, especially to Johan and MrT. I haven’t played since 1.04a and the difference to this latest beta is fantastic. My major gripe about imploding Kingdoms seems to be resolved and the new events and game play ideas make for a vastly improved experience. Thankyou all very much.

Cheers.

 

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Double check it with current patch. AFAIK it should now reset on month rollover (or maybe it's annual rolloever...I don't recall at the moment).

Ankara has neither Plague nor disease now, but even at the start of a new month, after loading a save file with not plague/no disease - the time to build is still 1621 months.

Even after the end of the year - still 1618 months. (Yes 134+ years :wacko: )

 

[unmerged(6777)]

/me adds that to bug list

I know I've checked it with dysentry and malaria but I haven't checked it with plague so I guess that needs some coding attention.

Garuda: thanks for the comments.

1. Shouldn't happen. Keep in mind that you have to re-open your court view after clicking the "accept" button in the event for the courtier to appear in the listing. The courtier listing isn't refreshed and is only generated when you open it.

2. Tweaking recovery this week as well, but since it's all probability based it's always possible that it could take a very long time or an incredibly short time as well. I had one plague on the weekend that only lasted a month. I guess the residents were a particularly healthy lot.

3. Can happen but shouldn't. Maybe most of Christendom was otehrwise proccupied with wars between one another or the support/nudging events simply didn't fire due to some of the modifiers.

4. Yeah. I've seen that too and it's on the list for Johan when he gets time.

5. See my response at the top of this post. It's an oversight bug.

6. It's often hard to snag those guys. The ai will tend to marry them off very rapidly (i.e. within nanseconds) of them coming of age. Mostly the engine assumes that rulers should be proposing marriages for their males to your females, and visa versa so their sons won't usually hang around waiting for you to propose to them unless they're somewhat undesireable.

7. I'll look into that particular case, but I've noticed a variety of odd differences between what should be displayed in the action drop-down and what is being displayed. That's also something that's already on Johan's list.

8. You're welcome. It's nice to know that the efforts are appreciated.

 

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Something odd there. Was caused by the prvious line being a single comment mark (a "#") without the ;;;;;;;x after it. I've fixed it for the next patch.

Nice....glad I contributed at least something....except successful lobbying for Duchy of Slavonia.

Btw. how about changing the ZARB(Zara) to Dalmatia...this should have been done ages ago. As I pointed out Duchy of Zara was a Duchy created in 18th century and it held just city of Zadar and some small surrounding area...not even close to what it is in the game....in the game ZARB is actually equivalent what should be Dalmatia.

 

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Nice....glad I contributed at least something....except successful lobbying for Duchy of Slavonia.

Btw. how about changing the ZARB(Zara) to Dalmatia...this should have been done ages ago. As I pointed out Duchy of Zara was a Duchy created in 18th century and it held just city of Zadar and some small surrounding area...not even close to what it is in the game....in the game ZARB is actually equivalent what should be Dalmatia.

Are you talking about a province name change? If so, that won't get done since that would require a map change with I can guarantee you 100000000000% won't happen. If it's a title/dynasty/etc. then start a new thread (with descriptive title) and one of the scenario guys will ahve a look.

 

[ambrox62]

Plague
Last week I wrote about plague and moving capital.
In new beta (13/5), capital seems more stable, and this is good.
On plague, instead, I have some concerns, expecially upon event 4900 and its complex trigger's conditions.
My capital has gained immunity towards both plagues, but inside my (huge) court, plague spreads harshly from nowhere. Why this? It seems a non-sense having court infested by plague while the province has gained immunities, armies are huge and 'people enjoy life's pleasures'!
After the moving capital fix, I think that no plague can spreads inside a court if province has gained double immunity.

New traits events
New trait-assign events are well done, and I give credit at work efforts.
But after an initial interest, they become boring. Having a huge court, I spent most of the time reading such events and its choises and clicking on them for every stupid/minor courtier at age of 2, then at age of 6, and again at age of 10. Very boring.
I think that these well-done events must remain for ruler_child or ruler under 16, because I am interested to fine-tuning younger king or heirs personalities.
But for all other anonymous courtiers I like the previous click-and-go 'one shot-three traits' events.

 

[Hogar]

Plague
New traits events
New trait-assign events are well done, and I give credit at work efforts.
But after an initial interest, they become boring. Having a huge court, I spent most of the time reading such events and its choises and clicking on them for every stupid/minor courtier at age of 2, then at age of 6, and again at age of 10. Very boring.
I think that these well-done events must remain for ruler_child or ruler under 16, because I am interested to fine-tuning younger king or heirs personalities.
But for all other anonymous courtiers I like the previous click-and-go 'one shot-three traits' events.

I agree with you soooooooo much...

 

[Ayeshteni]

New traits events
New trait-assign events are well done, and I give credit at work efforts.
But after an initial interest, they become boring. Having a huge court, I spent most of the time reading such events and its choises and clicking on them for every stupid/minor courtier at age of 2, then at age of 6, and again at age of 10. Very boring.
I think that these well-done events must remain for ruler_child or ruler under 16, because I am interested to fine-tuning younger king or heirs personalities.
But for all other anonymous courtiers I like the previous click-and-go 'one shot-three traits' events.

I disagree . There has only been one time in which these events annoyed me by 'popping up' and that was when I was embroiled in a war that wasnt going particularly well and I wanted to finish it before going to bed :rofl: .

The events are good, I like them the way they are now. You can fine-tune and they are BRILLIANT from a role-play point of view - I remeber one family who where Byzantine backstabbers! For me they never become boring.

yours, others want to play with your Paradox games
'No they are mine' ayeshteni

 

[unmerged(27913)]

MrT I am talking about ZARB tag(Duchy of Zara) which should be renamed to 'Duchy of Dalmatia'. The area in fact had the status of the kingdom, but Duchy is good enough to represent it and the ZARB tag is made up of exactly the same counties Dalmatia would be made of...so the name change is really needed and is logical.

 

[unmerged(20604)]

Just some feedback on plague and a few other things.

Playing as duke of Northcumberland the pneumonic plague arrived in about 1104 in all the three provinces i control. It is now 1124 my provinces are not immune but the new other plauge are just one province away... but the havoc brought by the first 20 years of plague cannot be underestimated..

The plague death list :

Duke Arnfinn Leofricson, Ranvig Leo..., Gytha Leo..., Eadhild Fitzpatrick, Swaefind fitz..., Margaret fitz..., Ecgwynn fitz..., Eadfaed Fitz..., Ecgfrida Colville, Lodin Clifford, Saexbold de Mauvoisin, Olaf Darcy, Ossor de Leyborne, Kolbein Grey and a few no name courtiers.... all these courtmembers in 20 years... I was quite lucky as when duke Arnfinn died he had two kids one 3 years old the other 1 year... the first kid died on his 4 birthday, but the other onw is not 12 (1124)... and it is not over yet as none of the counties are immune and as i said the new plague is on the doorstep.

So it gruesome.... I LIKE IT

Other stuff:

I noticed a little bug when temporarily playing at extremely fast:

A child got the "choose education" twice, a so had two educations... I guess it most have something to do with the speed?

And shouldn't the trait indulgent be opposite to modest? I have had a few characters with both... it somehow doesn't fit...

And the Fanatical priest with indulgent doesn't seem to fit either?

 

[Gaute65]

Other stuff:

I noticed a little bug when temporarily playing at extremely fast:

A child got the "choose education" twice, a so had two educations... I guess it most have something to do with the speed?

Known bug

 

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And shouldn't the trait indulgent be opposite to modest? I have had a few characters with both... it somehow doesn't fit...

And the Fanatical priest with indulgent doesn't seem to fit either?

Indulgent is the opposite of Temperate, Modest is the opposite of Proud.

And certainly priests could have tendencies to indulge.

 

[Ayeshteni]

Great Patch guys. Though I keep dying.

playing as England, my Crusaing King was severely wounded in Morroco and died. Up came the next guy the count of Evereux, but the shield did not change to that of England, so I went to investigate.....


....the King of England is a 1 year old kid called Geoffrey Flambeux or somit (inheritence traced correctly), I am just puzzled why It did not exit the game but went to the old kings brother the count? I thought if your dynasty lost the title - you lose or am I missing something simple o

yours
Ayeshteni

 

[unmerged(21937)]

I remember this rather thorough examination on that issue. When your ruler dies and your direct successor is not your dynasty, you can continue playing if the first member of your dynasty in your line of succession is a ruler. You will then continue as that ruler and obviously will change primary title in the process (remember to save and reload).

 

[unmerged(24980)]

Great Patch guys. Though I keep dying.

playing as England, my Crusaing King was severely wounded in Morroco and died. Up came the next guy the count of Evereux, but the shield did not change to that of England, so I went to investigate.....


....the King of England is a 1 year old kid called Geoffrey Flambeux or somit (inheritence traced correctly), I am just puzzled why It did not exit the game but went to the old kings brother the count? I thought if your dynasty lost the title - you lose or am I missing something simple o

yours
Ayeshteni

I think you die only if there is no other male member of your dynasty (family) who is a count, duke, or monarch. I've had a decent run (until both my autosave and old autosave) were corrupted where I kept bouncing back between being a Byzantine Duke and an Emperor, and then ended up with a character who was a Duke in the Kingdom of Serbia.

 

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if you have no one in the line of succession, period, you will be cloned rather than die.

If your a female, you'll be cloned as a male.

 

[Ayeshteni]

I remember this rather thorough examination on that issue. When your ruler dies and your direct successor is not your dynasty, you can continue playing if the first member of your dynasty in your line of succession is a ruler. You will then continue as that ruler and obviously will change primary title in the process (remember to save and reload).

I think you die only if there is no other male member of your dynasty (family) who is a count, duke, or monarch. I've had a decent run (until both my autosave and old autosave) were corrupted where I kept bouncing back between being a Byzantine Duke and an Emperor, and then ended up with a character who was a Duke in the Kingdom of Serbia.

Ah, I see, jolly good - will try to take back the throne of England then :wacko: .

if you have no one in the line of succession, period, you will be cloned rather than die.

If your a female, you'll be cloned as a male.

eh, this confuses me - you are saying you cannot lose? My Byzant game ended after my dynasty was wracked by plague. You are taking about the AI surely?

yours
Ayeshteni

 

[bgibbard]

eh, this confuses me - you are saying you cannot lose? My Byzant game ended after my dynasty was wracked by plague. You are taking about the AI surely?

No, this just means you will not lose if there are NO heirs at all. (The game insists that every count title must have someone holding it; if no "real" heir exists, the game will artificially clone one from your family to avoid crashing)

You can still lose if the heir of your last title holder does exist, but belongs to some other family.

Also, you can lose if your family's last remaining title is taken from you in war.

 

[Ayeshteni]

No, this just means you will not lose if there are NO heirs at all. (The game insists that every count title must have someone holding it; if no "real" heir exists, the game will artificially clone one from your family to avoid crashing)

You can still lose if the heir of your last title holder does exist, but belongs to some other family.

Also, you can lose if your family's last remaining title is taken from you in war.

'DING!' understood. Enlightenment has arrived. Sorry about hijacking the thread there, normal services can now resume. o
yours
A.