Max happiness modifier from amenities should scale with technologies.

[tanny]

Having lots of amenities allow you to “live like king”.
However, if you take a few hundred years ago, you still don’t have running water and Wi-Fi.

However, the trend is that infrastructure improves over time. We now have Wi-Fi, public transports, etc… what next?

In general, having better technology allows us to build more infrastructure over time. This should be reflected in the amenities. Currently, it provides a flat 20% max bonus regardless of tech level. This can be difficult to reach in the early game and easy in the late game, except for a few OP builds. Scaling maximum amenity bonus would help make players follow a more logical progression.

 

[Metallichydra]

Infrastructure doesn't make you happy over a certain point. Even with infinite wi-fi and roads, you'd still not be more happy than if you had the amount of wi-fi and roads you needed.

 

[NotAYakk]

Infrastructure doesn't make you happy over a certain point. Even with infinite wi-fi and roads, you'd still not be more happy than if you had the amount of wi-fi and roads you needed.

The point is that having more roads doesn't make you more happy.

But having wifi AND roads does.

Before wifi is invented, amenities can only add more roads. After wifi, there is more that can be invested. In the furture, gorbles will also boost happiness and productivity.

 

[Metallichydra]

The point is that having more roads doesn't make you more happy.

But having wifi AND roads does.

No, that's not how it works.
When you have max. happiness from amenities, it represents having everything you need, in terms of amenities.
So you already have roads AND wifi. And ice cream.

Before wifi is invented, amenities can only add more roads. After wifi, there is more that can be invested. In the furture, gorbles will also boost happiness and productivity.

Before wifi is invented, people went to the theaters, watched movies in the cinema.
Now they watch them on their personal computer / virtual reality center.
They replaced one thing with another.
Still the same amount of amenities needed, they just represent different things.

 

[tanny]

Before wifi is invented, people went to the theaters, watched movies in the cinema.
Now they watch them on their personal computer / virtual reality center.
They replaced one thing with another.
Still the same amount of amenities needed, they just represent different things.

And you don’t have theaters/etc anymore? You still do.

Medical intervention was first only available to the rich, then we got to save lives, now it has gotten to the point where cosmetic surgeries become a thing. Soon, maybe you regularly go boost your energy level and so on.
Before, you only had road, and then electricity and water, then WiFi, and roads still exist, and you have many train stations and road for cars, and pedestrian roads still exist.

The more advanced we get, the more there is to be invested. At the very least, Wi-Fi is ”preferred” in some ways, and is more complicated (require more expertise to maintain) in some other ways. That represents increased investment. Pay more to get happiness.

 

[Metallichydra]

And you don’t have theaters/etc anymore? You still do.

Because clearly you go to the theaters still, and so does the majority of people.
And you'll continue to do that even after virtual reality is invented.
No. Old stuff is replaced by new stuff. We'll have theaters for a little bit of time, but there aren't many left. Soon there won't be as many cinemas left either.

 

[Kael90]

People in earlier years were more happy than we are today. More amenities doesnt mean more happiness.

We eat like kings today but we are not 'happier', even by having more, than the people in the past. So its simply not true.

Its nothing like ressources which stack. You are happy or you are not. You can be happy with less and you can be unhappy with more.

 

[NotAYakk]

People in earlier years were more happy than we are today. More amenities doesnt mean more happiness.

We eat like kings today but we are not 'happier', even by having more, than the people in the past. So its simply not true.

Its nothing like ressources which stack. You are happy or you are not. You can be happy with less and you can be unhappy with more.

Mate, I've read diaries of the past.

Lots of people where very miserable. Dead kids, etc. Know all of the "life is bleak and sucks" philosophy?

And that is the diaries of the upper classes, because the lower classes had no literacy.

I mean, not feeling joyous when there is nothing really wrong leads to humans acting strange, while hardship gives you something to blame for your lack of happiness.

 

[Kael90]

Mate, I've read diaries of the past.

Lots of people where very miserable. Dead kids, etc. Know all of the "life is bleak and sucks" philosophy?

And that is the diaries of the upper classes, because the lower classes had no literacy.

I mean, not feeling joyous when there is nothing really wrong leads to humans acting strange, while hardship gives you something to blame for your lack of happiness.

Yes. But that doesnt mean they were unhappy. Normal Human beings arent regularly 'all the time depressive'. Even then, people were happy and people were not happy. Its not cumulative.

 

[NotAYakk]

Yes. But that doesnt mean they were unhappy. Normal Human beings arent regularly 'all the time depressive'. Even then, people were happy and people were not happy. Its not cumulative.

And?

How many points of happiness was it? Was it the same number of points?

Higher happiness means you are servicing the population better. If you become better at servicing the population, then justifying a larger bonus makes mechanical sense.

As the units in real life cannot be compared, "realism" in how many points you get is irrelevant.

 

[Metallichydra]

And?

How many points of happiness was it? Was it the same number of points?

Higher happiness means you are servicing the population better. If you become better at servicing the population, then justifying a larger bonus makes mechanical sense.

As the units in real life cannot be compared, "realism" in how many points you get is irrelevant.

We can sort of compare it. 100% happiness is obviously the most happy you can be, and you aren't the most happy just because you got infinite wifi and super-fast cars and great roads.
That's why it's capped.
Because you aren't 100% happy just because you have stuff.
You also need to feel like that society is going the way you want it to go (factions) and good living conditions (living conditions).

What you're suggesting is that if we have a society whose internet and infrastructure is perfect, as in, literally perfect, but the citizens only get the exact amount of food they need to survive, they would be happy.

 

[tanny]

Happiness modifiers from all sorts max out, but having some sort of modifier improves happiness. Otherwise this game is taking quite a nihilistic view.

 

[Wilmfe92]

I agree. it's far too quickly that ammenities just stop being an effective game mechanic.